Luca Beltrame writes:
We had plenty of mails on the transition plan. There were both sent on opensuse-kde and opensuse-factory. There is no such thing as "lack thereof".
Yes, there is. The update is not migrating the old desktop settings (I'm not talking about the applications) and there is also no tool to even find out which settings have been customized from the defaults. It's all manual, laborious work to get things back the way you had it before (where it is even possible). If anything goes wrong or you simply run out of time, then there's no way back. That is a recipe for users going ballistic, not a transition plan. It doesn't help that same scenario has been played out before and those who have been burned are still remembering that pain.
We've been working for this way before this was announced, often testing stuff ourselves (and yes, sometimes breaking our desktops, too).
How would that feel if that was the only desktop you use daily?
I see however that it was all a waste of my and the other team members' time.
How so? The fact that you've not looked at some aspect of the transition doesn't devalue your work in other areas.
The Plasma5 update you are planning to do is redefining Tumbleweed
Why? It is an officially supported upstream, stable release.
It completely ignores that anybody would have a desktop that had been growing from KDE 1.1.2 days to the current state that they want to migrate.
I don't know about you, but the potential havoc does decrease the appeal of TW by several notches for me. If you continue to want real-world users on TW you need to mitigate some of these concerns.
That's why we waited for 3 full releases from upstream, testing stuff, fixing stuff ourselves if it was within our reach, polishing package updates, etc over the past 9 months. We didn't sit idly and then say "lo and behold, thou shalt use Plasma 5" all of a sudden.
I can see that this works for a new install. I don't want to do a new install or the moral equivalent of it, I want to update.
This was precisely to address "concerns", to ensure that the result was of
Please lose the airquotes. Just because you don't share the concerns doesn't mean they're invalid.
acceptable quality for the distribution (see the evaluation mails on opensuse-kde), to ensure that openQA tests ran on it (maxlin did a great job with those) and passed properly. We also tested (as best as we could) package updates, obsoletes, etc...
This again doesn't adress the migration aspect.
We engaged with the upstream community to ensure that what we were bringing to Tumbleweed was good enough, filing reports and poking developers if need be (I can recall several occasions where I nagged Plasma team members to fix multiscreen issues), and also watching on responses from the userbase (doing user support on the official KDE forums helped me to check on the responses from other distros, too).
Does this mean that the transition will be perfect? Absolutely not. But we tried, the best we could, to do our homework, because we wanted to give the best transition possible to TW users.
Again, the transition as it is apparently about to happen real soon now is not a migration to Plasma5, but losing the KDE 4.x desktop settings completely and having to set up a new shop using Plasma5. All I am still asking for is to allow users to chose when they have to do that chore since the ship has apparently long sailed w.r.t. proper migration. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ Factory and User Sound Singles for Waldorf Blofeld: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSounds -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org