On 5/31/21 6:55 PM, Michal Suchánek wrote:
On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 08:49:17AM +0000, Martin Wilck wrote:
On Fr, 2021-05-28 at 12:14 +0200, Juergen Gross wrote:
On 28.05.21 11:08, Martin Wilck wrote:
OTOH, by actively moving to libera.chat, you'd quite obviously support _them_. Which is not a thing I feel much tempted to do, either.
True. OFTC might be the better choice.
It seems that the ship has sailed. The topic of #suse on freenode says "We're moving to #suse on Libera.chat".
I wonder if those who made the decision to do this, whoever it was, even considered alternatives. But well, Gerald had told us right from the start that there was "consensus" (in whatever group) to move to libera.chat.
Is it just me thinking that the way large-scale policy issues for openSUSE are decided needs improvement? I realize that those who aren't happy with the quick libera.chat move are probably a minority. But if there'd been a poll, we'd at least know that.
The the other thing is that if the channel moderators know and work with the freenode staff some of theose people moved to libera while OFTC has completely different people.
In our case this has been less of an issue, because we have taken the chance to register our namespace properly and get an up to date list of who is responsible for what.
I think that the opinion of the people who are keeping the channel running has more weight than the opinion of the general userbase. It is the result of the work of the people answering questions in the channel and moderating discussion there that it is a worthwhile place to look for, and wherever those people move it will become the place to go.
Another consideration here for the development channels is many of our developers work closely with various upstreams a large number of which were on freenode and decide to move to libera.chat meaning they would end up on that network.
It does not change the fact that the way this decision was made and the reasons for it remain a mystery. There is a lack of transparency for sure.
On the other hand you can find pretty much the entire detail of this discussion and the reasoning why publicly on the boards issue tracker which was linked in the first message of this thread https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issue/4 -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B