this discussion is ... it's simple: 1) I want LAST software and I can Live with sometimes broken backwards compactibility - Tumbleweed 2) I want STABLE and supported software, but I must live with older versions of software - Leap but newer use development repository from OBS and even worse is the idea to use some random HOME repo. Kind regards, Ondrej Sukup On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 21:41, Martin Wilck <Martin.Wilck@suse.com> wrote:
On Mon, 2020-06-08 at 20:13 +0200, Michal Kubecek wrote:
On Mon, Jun 08, 2020 at 01:38:32PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
To me, that underscores a deficiency in our approach, then. What makes it difficult for people to use Tumbleweed that they need Leap with a motley of devel project repositories enabled?
For me, that's the very principle of Tumbleweed: it's a rolling distribution so that big and backwards incompatible changes which can and do break things can come with _any_ update. Not everyone wants that and I certainly don't. I do have one Tumbleweed system but it's one I do not depend on at all and which has been actually down since something like mid March. I wouldn't consider installing Tumbleweed on a system I need for my work.
I want latest versions of a small subset of packages and I'm ready to deal with issues with these selected packages; but that doesn't mean I want a full bleeding edge distribution where _anything_ can be upgraded to a new major version at any update.
To be honest, for most of the distribution, I would rather appreciate the exact opposite: the original, more conservative, design of Leap. Because except for the packages inherited from SLE, most of Leap currently works more like the pre-Leap openSUSE, i.e. not distinguishing between major and minor versions of the distribution and just picking the latest version from Factory on every Leap release.
I suppose that something like this holds for many users. You want the bleeding edge in some specific area (could be video editing, web server, the haskell stack, you name it), and you want the rest to be stable and cause no trouble.
Martin
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