Dear Michal K, every time anyone tries to silence someone else with an argument of authority, especially if that argument is being the holder of truth, I'll see that person as a moron. Sorry to you all if it didn't seem like well justified rebound, maybe I did overreact. e2fs was only in the progs package name in my vocabulary, never the file system itself, so here are all those mistakes. Michal S, I don't see disabling a feature that's been available for a long time as "not removing support for it" unless you did something as easy to unlock as what browsers do to prevent you from accessing sites with old certificates, that doesn't stop normal users from consciously overriding it. If it's disabled for most people, then for most people support is not present anymore. I'm sorry we disagree in that. Also the thread says "disable by default" and not "disable optionally" or something that doesn't break mounting as root. When I tried it just failed. About the RTFM part, mostly because of YaST I regard openSUSE as one of the few distros that really anyone can use. In my view it's way better than Ubuntu in that, except that more people heard about the latter. I only meant to express that I hope it remains a very user-friendly distro. If that doesn't hold then my hope is lost. Manuals are things that only people that are truly versed in Linux will ever be able to read and understand, and in fact will ever open it as well. I'll say it again: please don't assume that just because it's system infrastructure that it's not software for people that won't ever read any software manual. Please remember that most people's experiences with software help or manuals is nothing alike what we have with man, info and everything. Not because open source programmers are geniuses and corporate people aren't, but because manpages were mostly written for and by programmers, and that is also why so many tech people from other areas that aren't versed in that particular jargon really can't read a manpage. I myself usually think and reread for dozens of minutes to really dig each argument in manpages for standard c functions. I'm happy nobody ever told me to start learning C from these sources, so I ask of you to rethink about that part where people should learn SUSE from manpages at the first time they can't mount a drive. Don't just say RTFM for newbies. Please keep teaching Linux in openSUSE fun! I see I'm not the only one that enjoys it here. And for those questioning the utility of new users: a system with no users is dead, so you just must keep at least a minimum throughput of people learning it over time. It's not optional, it's need. With that many distro options just don't take it for granted, especially in the long run. Please someone clarify me: How preventing users from mounting as root from where they could gain no further escalation could be more damaging than a myriad of other mistaken or bad informed commands when ran as root? I don't understand why can't this blacklist affect only auto mount or other mount commands issued from a GUI application ran by the a normal user. Is it just that hard to do it where it matters most, or blocking root access is really intended here? I don't intend no critic here, I'm just not seeing the whole picture that you're arguing really. If someone has sudo or my root password I really can't avoid that they are able to jeopardize the system even without any flash drive. Is it really intended to prevent wilful people that really should be able to mount it from doing so? I guess it's getting a nicer error message or addendum, but what about an analog for GUI actions, is it possible? At least something that gets propagated over file manager apps that come in the DVD. I'm sorry if it's already mentioned, the thread has gone way to long and here I am making it worse. Also, if I am not wrong this time, f2fs is the only officially supported way you can install apps as opposed to only some app data to an external SD card in Android. Some phones since version 6.0 if I recall correctly have an easy "transfer app" option that does fsck on the external drive. Can it be really that obscure even if it's so easy to make in a considerable amount of Android devices? But then maybe that doesn't matter, does it? Best regards and have a good day, Raphael -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org