-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 08/09/2014 10:09 AM, Raymond Wooninck wrote:
Hi Robert,
On Saturday 09 August 2014 06:09:14 Robert Schweikert wrote:
Also as fellow user and contributor I have to say that continued and constant systemd bashing is not conducive to moving the distribution forward and making the openSUSE project a great project to participate in. Quiet frankly I am getting tired of it.
I fully agree with you that this bashing on systemd is counter productive, however I guess we should also see if from a different point. openSUSE is a community driven distribution, but as far as I remember the community itself never took the decision to switch to systemd. This was mainly driven by the maintainers of the core-system, which are part of SUSE.
I agree that there were a number of breakdowns in the way the transition and the decision process was handled. However those things cannot be reverted. What we can do is learn from what has happened and do better in the future.
And this might be the biggest issue and the cause for the systemd bashing by the community. One of the items mentioned on that website is that more and more programs are starting to have dependencies on systemd and that distro's have to make the switch to the systemd world. Whether they like it or not.
Debian discussed this with its community and based on the feedback it took a decision. As indicated I can't remember to have seen any discussion or questionnaire within the openSUSE community regarding the successor of the sysvinit environment. Of course we can sweep it under the umbrello of "those that do the work decide". But then those have also be prepared for the subsequent discussions that their decision could cause.
I have no problem with the subsequent discussion, but at some point it has to end. The discussion about systemd has now been going on for more than 3 years.
But it is indeed too late to revert back as that we are already depend too much on systemd and it would create a lot of havoc if we would remove it now. However I don't think that this should close the door for alternatives.
Well, we have the best tool in the world to work on alternatives and/or derivative distributions, OBS. I have not seen anyone step up and do the work necessary. However, I do have to admit that I am certainly not aware of every project in OBS. Later, Robert -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEbBAEBAgAGBQJT50h9AAoJEE4FgL32d2UkL8UH+PF/BjHbGcDhI+3R0HYEtb9p HUaLCKrsum5jqTpPFP8I/05zfHJ3MT/jUUFVV78j8elOYKqz9uaAuuE5INDXHaZW d67z+Fo80OGV84l6FSa/FGuiV3tnyqUfswawLfbdKb7929DKAbasi0gsZ46D998u 1LtHoj5CIvSTmU05wEeK82xYm135kEfMXdU2ftv6rk9V/s0MNkFTQ3zvFSlGvH/t 6jdljNRS6ZnuAVe9Z1Gp2h4Rm6i0v4QXJbf3Mlnyjyu4QxiOZrCuSMbsLb/kRp3M u0rMRbJ19oklhWgHu8jN6118xcT3HhSg6DFfj3Y9kVH7Jokcu7WJ9qZwQD4s9Q== =2sGO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org