On Tue, 2022-12-06 at 10:46 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
On 12/6/22 10:35, Richard Brown wrote:
Dominique is pointing out that the non-port, mainline, of Tumbleweed/Factory will be continuing on its merry way aligned with the needs of openSUSE's main sponsor.
The sponsor, who I add, provides all of our build hardware, all of our test hardware, and all of our release management manpower for Factory mainline.
That's what I meant in my other mail: openSUSE is not a porter- friendly distribution.
What you are describing here, e.g. build hardware, is a no-brainer in Debian, for example. We've got one loaner machine from IBM plus two PowerKVM instances, both hosted as OSUOSL at Oregon State University and have more than enough capacity to build packages for 32-bit and 64-bit PowerPC as well as providing a porter box to developers, i.e. test hardware.
If providing a second x86_64 baseline in openSUSE causes so much pain and effort, it's a problem with how the distribution is maintained and not with the porting idea in general.
Adrian
And openSUSE has a wonderfully well maintained aarch64 port. And IBM provided hardware and Tumbleweed once had a very well maintained ppc64 port when we had contributors taking care of it. The problem isn't the 'porter-friendliness' of the distribution, the problem is a lack of people actually engaging with the opportunities already available to contribute and being far happier to complain instead of contributing. LegacyX86 could very well be the next port success story after aarch64, it's got the hardware, it's clearly got users who want it, it's already got bootstrapped thanks to Dominique. Now it just needs someone to look after it in perpututy because Dominique won't/can't So..how about we call this nonsense thread to a close? those people who want to care for LegacyX86 can start caring for it, and everyone else can just shut up with the nonproductive noise?