On 2023-04-21 02:09, Simon Lees wrote:
On 4/21/23 04:31, Richard Brown wrote:
On 2023-04-20 17:34, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
So the more glaring question is: Can we build Leap from ALP or what do we do instead?
I put this like this for 2 reasons
1. Given ALP is a very different distribution from SLE, I expect any derivative of ALP that tries to be like Leap will be a lot more work. This appears to be confirmed by Simon's experiences working towards this for hackweek, hence you see his suggestion being something paired down from Leap, at least with the manpower he currently sees being interested in doing such.
Having spoken with Lubos, i'm probably slightly less pessimistic then that. Some areas will require more work, some areas like python may even be easier then Leap but some things will be harder.
I'm not trying to be pessimistic but pragmatic. Given folk like you and Lubos will actually be doing more of the work once we're set on a course, I'm totally fine with you being wayyyy more optimistic than me :)
Having said that the main missing part at this point is the Gnome stack, its still pretty unclear if or how much we will get from SUSE there and of that if you want a more "Traditional" Linux setup how much will be useable out of the box. Having said that in a few days Valentin was able to take the Gnome stack from Tumbleweed and get it working, so its certainly doable it might just take someone or a group of someones to commit the time to it. But it might still be that we can recycle the SUSE stuff here but ATM we still don't have enough info from the SUSE Side on what they are going to do there and how its going to work.
Well I figured this might be obvious by omission, but I'll share how I understand the current situation SUSE has no immediate plans for an ALP Desktop _product_ SUSE is investigating having a Desktop _workload_ that can be run atop it's ALP Products, like the Bedrock and Micro servers you currently see in the current prototypes. All the work in this area I've seen so far involve crazy-interesting containerised stuff, like https://github.com/fcrozat/gdm-container So, if I understand your goal correctly, building an openSUSE ALP Distro that offers a very 'traditional' desktop experience, I'd expect that you won't be able to draw much from SUSE's current ALP Desktop efforts as they appear to be primarily 'non-traditional'. So yeah, for any of the Desktops in your suggested openSUSE ALP Product, I'd say you're going to need someone/or a group of people to step up and commit the time to it. -- Richard Brown Distributions Architect SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Frankenstraße 146, D-90461 Nuremberg, Germany (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) Managing Directors/Geschäftsführer: Ivo Totev, Andrew Myers, Andrew McDonald, Martje Boudien Moerman