On 9/21/23 04:19, Simon Lees wrote:
On 7/5/22 21:36, Simon Lees wrote:
Hi All,
For Tumbleweed and ALP we plan to follow Red Hat / Fedora / Debian and move from dbus-daemon to dbus-broker as it has a number of advantages and is what upstream is now focusing on.
While one of the goals here is to provide the same user experience there will be a couple of changes that will likely require adjustments in a few packages.
1. tools such as dbus-send and dbus-uuid will no longer be installed by default on all systems (we have many use cases that will simply no longer need them and this follows other distro's). Currently the package dbus-1-tools exists and is required by dbus-1 but that will change maybe to a recommends so if you know your package needs one of these tools you can add the Requires there now, otherwise I plan to go through and look at debian and fedora to try and find any packages that need this requires before it becomes optional for dbus.
2. The symlink from /etc/machine-id to /var/lib/dbus/machine-id will no longer be present on all machines and software should be adapted to use /etc/machine-id from systemd rather then the dbus copy. Again this has already happened for Debian and Fedora so hopefully many upstreams have already adapted to this.
I'll outline the plan / timeline below.
1. Currently - dbus-broker has been in the distro for quite some time and the dbus-1 package has already been split up and we are at the point of asking people nicely to start testing (instructions below), myself and at least several other people have already been testing this without issues.
2. In 2-3 weeks if I don't hear of any issues we will update the systemd presets to enable dbus-broker rather then dbus-daemon.
3. Unless someone indicates they really want to keep maintaining dbus-daemon and have good reasons for doing so I will make dbus-daemon uninstallable.
Well after a really long 2-3 weeks of over a year, this change will probably land in tumbleweed in the next couple of days. The other change to note is dbus-run-session may no longer be present on all systems although gdm has an explicit requires for it so it may not be obvious at first.
Hi Simon, I just upedated to 20231001 and dbus-daemon is still installed and dbus-broker is NOT installed. Was this delayed or do we need to making make the switch ? -- Regards, Joe