On Wednesday, 22 November 2017 13:07:10 GMT Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Ianseeks <bingmybong@btinternet.com> [11-22-17 04:19]:
On Tuesday, 21 November 2017 18:00:12 GMT Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Ianseeks <bingmybong@btinternet.com> [11-21-17 12:46]:
On Tuesday, 21 November 2017 13:47:49 GMT Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:
Op dinsdag 21 november 2017 13:12:28 CET schreef Ianseeks:
On Tuesday, 21 November 2017 10:29:52 GMT Daniel Morris wrote: > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 09:18:30AM +0000, Ianseeks wrote: > > > provider. Maybe your provider, but I don't detect their headers. Maybe > > > > > > these: > > > > X-OWM-Source-IP: 31.*.*.* (GB) > > > > X-OWM-Env-Sender: bing....@btinternet.com > > > > X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: > > > > score=8/50,refid=2.7.2:2017.11.20.172117:17:8.317,ip=,rules=__HAS_FR > > > > OM, > > > > > > > > __FRAUD_WEBMAIL_FROM, FROM_NAME_ONE_WORD, __TO_MALFORMED_2, > > > > __TO_NO_NAME, > > > > __SUBJ_ALPHA_END, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, INVALID_MSGID_NO_FQDN, > > > > __MIME_VERSION, __CTE, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, SUPERLONG_LINE, > > > > __NO_HTML_TAG_RAW, BODY_SIZE_600_699, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, > > > > __MIME_TEXT_P1, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, > > > > BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, NO_URI_FOUND, > > > > NO_CTA_URI_FOUND, > > > > __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1, BODY_SIZE_1000_LESS, > > > > BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, > > > > __MIME_TEXT_P, NO_URI_HTTPS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS > > > > Its the same provider i use to send emails to all lists so why no > > others get "spammed", i have no idea. I didn;t realise that your own > > provider tags sent emails as spam, i thought it was done on receipt of > > an email. > > Spam scoring & tagging is often done at the recipient's MTA, but there's > no reason it can't be done at other stages as email gets relayed between > machines. There's obviously a trust issue (rogue senders could spoof the > spam-scoring as well) so in most environments only the last hop counts, > and that helps with lightweight/mobile clients too. > > I guess as BT is a large ISP with a variable community of users they may > be testing "outbound" mail to try and prevent some abuses escaping their > network and damaging their reputation? > > BT seems to have done this for a long while with your outbound postings, > and you typically seem to score 8-10/50 when sending :) I expect your > local/last-hop-inbound spam categorisers have changed a ruleset recently > which is why your mail was marked as SPAM locally to you. You'll need to > inspect the headers on the received message on your machine, as when > your reply goes back out to the list and is received <everywhere else> > then whatever is running <everywhere else> will have overwritten the > X-Spam-.... tags locally (or been stripped en-route). > > For example, your mail tagged as "[SPAM]" sent back to the list only > scored -2.5 for me, with a required of 5.0, scored by SpamAssassin. > > If you are doing Bayesian filtering, when was the last time you trained > your local categoriser with recent ham, as well as spam? > > HTH, > > Daniel
Cheers for the explanation. I don't do any filtering at all apart from using rules on incoming in kmail
After reading Daniel's explanation I remembered that my former ISP started outgoing mailfiltering for their customers. I had to turn it off in the settings of their webapp. It had two options, filter your @isp mail, filter all mail from your IP address, to post in MLs without issues.
Not completely offtopic, i.e. kmail related: to see if there is a setting in ~/.config/kmail2rc, I grepped -i html on ~/.config/kmail2rc and found it to have ~1500 duplicate lines.
I didn't get any duplicates but i did see this in the [Composer] section
html-markup=true improve-plain-text-html-message=false
Queries on Folders Section: Config details for 24 folders but i only have 8 folders (excluding the standard ones)
I also have 2 config sections for the same folder
[Folder-16] MailingListArchiveAddress=http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/ MailingListEnabled=true MailingListFeatures=95 MailingListHandler=0 MailingListHelpAddress=mailto:opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org MailingListId= MailingListOwnerAddress=mailto:opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org MailingListPostingAddress=mailto:opensuse-factory@opensuse.org MailingListSubscribeAddress=mailto:opensuse-factory+subscribe@opensuse.org MailingListUnsubscribeAddress=mailto:opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org PutRepliesInSameFolder=false UseDefaultIdentity=true HtmlLoadExternalOverride=false
[Folder-25] MailingListArchiveAddress=http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/ MailingListEnabled=true MailingListFeatures=95 MailingListHandler=0 MailingListHelpAddress=mailto:opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org MailingListId= MailingListOwnerAddress=mailto:opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org MailingListPostingAddress=mailto:opensuse-factory@opensuse.org MailingListSubscribeAddress=mailto:opensuse-factory+subscribe@opensuse.org MailingListUnsubscribeAddress=mailto:opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org PutRepliesInSameFolder=false UseDefaultIdentity=true htmlLoadExternalOverride=false
maybe you might change the line: html-markup=true
That was my thought too but i wasn't sure if thats a safe thing to do.
you cannot remember that particular, small change in order to change it back if it fails?
I can just remember to press the [Rich Text] button before i send to Factory, other lists don;t seem bothered by it.
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