On Thursday, October 11, 2012 02:13:58 Joachim Schrod wrote:
Andreas Jaeger writes:
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 01:51:27 Joachim Schrod wrote:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
And the stand-alone desktop is the primary target of openSUSE.
This change of target is very sad to read about.
Joachim, S.U.S.E Linux user since 4.4
Joachim, this is no change, this is what openSUSE does for ages already.
openSUSE is a desktop, a server, a development platform.
The default installation - and the way questions are asks - are targetting the desktop users.
Still, you can setup a server - and many do. It's just not the *primary* target.
This is still Linux. *I* *can* set up everything; I've started with Unix System V in 1981. The issue ain't if I'm *able* to, but -- how much work/effort is it. Effort is the selection criteria, not ability. Heck, most of the stuff we need, we're able to do with Windows servers, but we don't *want* to.
As long as the server pattern delivers necessary infrastructure packages, that's OK. I.e., if one wants to install server software packages, syslog is a must-have. If that won't change at the same time parallel to your expected improvement »throwing out syslog from the default pattern«, you're doing a disservice to your user base. You're communicating: openSUSE is a desktop system, and the server pattern is second class.
AFAIUS, this decision hasn't been done by now, that's why I'm speaking up. Excecutive summary: -- Moving syslog to server pattern installation: good.
Indeed, that's what I expect would happen *if* we do the move.
-- Removing syslog from default pattern without regard to server pattern: bad.
That's why we're discussing - to find a solution for both.
-- Thinking openSUSE will capture the desktop market: desastrous. (If I would want to have a pure desktop-oriented user-centered Linux distribution, I would install Ubuntu.)
But, judging from discussions here on this list, server requirements doesn't seem to be a focus any more. That's sad. But not to bad, we still have Debian that we can recommend to our customers, so no quarrels. We'll not leaving Linux.
Server requirements are a focus. The question is what is the default install and what requirements that has, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org