On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 12:39:59 Stephan Kulow wrote:
On 25.09.2012 11:42, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 21:51:35 Peter Czanik wrote:
Hello,
Before we all end up in flames, a hopefully not too biased view from syslog-ng upstream :-)
First of all, systemd journal is a perfect solution for about 90%+ of openSUSE users, which have stand alone workstations and don't care at all about logging. They don't need rsyslog or syslog-ng. The journal collects logs under /var/log/journal into some binary files. By default it does not take more than 5% of available disk space, so logs can't fill up the partition accidentally. It's very limited, but user friendly. Actually I don't really understand, why syslog is still installed on openSUSE (ArchLinux removed syslog from systemd based installations to avoid dual logging...), but this is a different questions...
Thanks Peter for the info. So, let's remove syslog/rsyslog from the default install now.
Coolo, could you do the change - if you agree with it, please?
So this kind of puts the last nail in the sysvinit coffin?
Ah, you're right - let's do it one by one and not start from the end. Frederic, what steps do you propose - here's my suggestion: 1. update to systemd 185 2. Change grub to not offer switch for init packages 3. Change sysvinit-init package (or however it's called) 4. Remove syslog from default install. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org