Hi :) El Friday 16 January 2009, Henne Vogelsang escribió:
Hi,
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Friday, 2009-01-16 at 13:40 +0100, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
There is a problem with this: even if you keep using the same machine and installation for a year, you will be removed from the database, unless you manually update it periodically.
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I opened a bugzilla so that Novell changes the cron job to /etc/cron.daily/, but it has been dismissed. No, I will not report upstream, this is a packaging problem here, IMO: the /etc/cron.daily/ is a SuSE feature, AFAIK.
It is not. This is a bug in the handling of smolt. Why wont you report it upstream?
- Because the people insterested in getting good and reliable stats are the distributors, not the users. - Because I din't find how, I'm not aquainted with fedora, I don't have an account with their bugzilla, and I didn't find it. (1) - It has taken me "years" to become aquainted with Novell's bugzilla, how to express my points, how to argue them. I can't do the same with fedorans, and I will be ignored. - Because I'm not an expert in Smolt, and I find the documentation very lacking (and no, I can not write docs if I'm not an expert). And not being an expert, I can not argue my point with them. - Why do I have to report a problem upstream, when we report all problems found to Novell's Bugzilla? Surely you don't want us to subscribe to the billion bug reporting systems upstream of all packages?
If you dont want to help then let it be. Then i have to do it...
He's not saying he doesn't want to help nor is he "not helping". At least IMHO he helps quite a lot on the mailing lists. Anyways, getting back to the subject. IMHO, Carlos has a point: - do we have to open bug reports upstream or do we have to open bug reports in Novell's bugzilla? After all, we're openSUSE users. - do you suggest we open bug reports upstream for every package? Then why on Earth would we be using openSUSE, we should be using LFS. IMHO, we use openSUSE because it's our "interface" to the developer Community - Yes, I agree: smolt is NOT a Novell/SUSE project, but you're packaging it. If you don't like receiving mails about those packages: DON'T package them. YOU (Novell/SUSE) are our (users) interface to the developer community. - Do we have to subscribe to endless mailinglists of all the packages openSUSE has? No, we don't. I know what it is to work at a vendor and I know what it's like to be the interface between users and 3rd party vendors (aka Partners), that's why I think Novell/SUSE should be the one that receives our "complaints" and Novell/SUSE forwards them upstream, not us (end users). Rafa -- "We cannot treat computers as Humans. Computers need love." rgriman@skype.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org