On Monday 20 June 2011 10:35:21 Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:11:50PM +0200, Kay Sievers wrote:
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 18:54 +0200, Dr. Werner Fink wrote:
This is a bug of systemd and a violation of the FSH standard. For server systems a nogo.
Yeah, it's a violation of the rules of the stone age. Many of them just don't make sense anymore. We need to pick the nice parts of UNIX, and leave the silly things behind us to be able to survive. And the split of / and /usr very high on the list of things we like to get rid of.
There is more than / and /usr, also /tmp, /var, and /boot is IMHO a very important point. Why do you think, most seasoned system adminstrators will mostly use different partitions for / and /usr, /tmp, and /var. Particular /tmp and /var will be separate partitions.
Anyway, FHS documents current behavior, it can not be violated. If the current behavior changes, FHS needs to change, and people actually working on that.
FHS is very useful to argument against something, we all use it that way from time to time, and if it is in our way we just ignore it, just like we did with /run. It's very convenient, everybody wins. :)
OK let's disregard the most important clientele by ignoring the most useful experience by declaring those experience as stone aged.
My hope was to have with systemd a real replacment for SysV able to serve all needs for all customer out there, that is not only openSUSE users on netbook and other mobile devices but also needs of our business customer on their big irons.
Let SUSE worry about the business customers, please, that doesn't have to influence what openSUSE decides. Moreover, if some requests of customers or users are not a good idea, we don't have to do it. systemd is not unique in telling you you shouldn't want certain things - or offering alternative ways to do it. About your specific argument, it's been said often enough now in this thread that you can have your /usr on a separate partition. Either the stupid way (like with sysv now: just ignore the fact that it doesn't work for lots of things and hope none of those matters to you) which is fully supported by systemd although they tell you it's stupid; or the smart way, by using initramfs. So, can you please let it go now? Repeating an argument doesn't make it any less valid, you know...
Werner