* Ianseeks <bingmybong@btinternet.com> [11-22-17 04:19]:
On Tuesday, 21 November 2017 18:00:12 GMT Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Ianseeks <bingmybong@btinternet.com> [11-21-17 12:46]:
On Tuesday, 21 November 2017 13:47:49 GMT Knurpht - Gertjan Lettink wrote:
Op dinsdag 21 november 2017 13:12:28 CET schreef Ianseeks:
On Tuesday, 21 November 2017 10:29:52 GMT Daniel Morris wrote:
On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 09:18:30AM +0000, Ianseeks wrote: > > provider. Maybe your provider, but I don't detect their headers. Maybe > > > > these: > > > X-OWM-Source-IP: 31.*.*.* (GB) > > > X-OWM-Env-Sender: bing....@btinternet.com > > > X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: > > > score=8/50,refid=2.7.2:2017.11.20.172117:17:8.317,ip=,rules=__HAS_FR > > > OM, > > > > > > __FRAUD_WEBMAIL_FROM, FROM_NAME_ONE_WORD, __TO_MALFORMED_2, > > > __TO_NO_NAME, > > > __SUBJ_ALPHA_END, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, INVALID_MSGID_NO_FQDN, > > > __MIME_VERSION, __CTE, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, SUPERLONG_LINE, > > > __NO_HTML_TAG_RAW, BODY_SIZE_600_699, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, > > > __MIME_TEXT_P1, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, > > > BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, NO_URI_FOUND, > > > NO_CTA_URI_FOUND, > > > __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1, BODY_SIZE_1000_LESS, > > > BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, > > > __MIME_TEXT_P, NO_URI_HTTPS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS > > Its the same provider i use to send emails to all lists so why no > others get "spammed", i have no idea. I didn;t realise that your own > provider tags sent emails as spam, i thought it was done on receipt of > an email.
Spam scoring & tagging is often done at the recipient's MTA, but there's no reason it can't be done at other stages as email gets relayed between machines. There's obviously a trust issue (rogue senders could spoof the spam-scoring as well) so in most environments only the last hop counts, and that helps with lightweight/mobile clients too.
I guess as BT is a large ISP with a variable community of users they may be testing "outbound" mail to try and prevent some abuses escaping their network and damaging their reputation?
BT seems to have done this for a long while with your outbound postings, and you typically seem to score 8-10/50 when sending :) I expect your local/last-hop-inbound spam categorisers have changed a ruleset recently which is why your mail was marked as SPAM locally to you. You'll need to inspect the headers on the received message on your machine, as when your reply goes back out to the list and is received <everywhere else> then whatever is running <everywhere else> will have overwritten the X-Spam-.... tags locally (or been stripped en-route).
For example, your mail tagged as "[SPAM]" sent back to the list only scored -2.5 for me, with a required of 5.0, scored by SpamAssassin.
If you are doing Bayesian filtering, when was the last time you trained your local categoriser with recent ham, as well as spam?
HTH,
Daniel
Cheers for the explanation. I don't do any filtering at all apart from using rules on incoming in kmail
After reading Daniel's explanation I remembered that my former ISP started outgoing mailfiltering for their customers. I had to turn it off in the settings of their webapp. It had two options, filter your @isp mail, filter all mail from your IP address, to post in MLs without issues.
Not completely offtopic, i.e. kmail related: to see if there is a setting in ~/.config/kmail2rc, I grepped -i html on ~/.config/kmail2rc and found it to have ~1500 duplicate lines.
I didn't get any duplicates but i did see this in the [Composer] section
html-markup=true improve-plain-text-html-message=false
Queries on Folders Section: Config details for 24 folders but i only have 8 folders (excluding the standard ones)
I also have 2 config sections for the same folder
[Folder-16] MailingListArchiveAddress=http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/ MailingListEnabled=true MailingListFeatures=95 MailingListHandler=0 MailingListHelpAddress=mailto:opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org MailingListId= MailingListOwnerAddress=mailto:opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org MailingListPostingAddress=mailto:opensuse-factory@opensuse.org MailingListSubscribeAddress=mailto:opensuse-factory+subscribe@opensuse.org MailingListUnsubscribeAddress=mailto:opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org PutRepliesInSameFolder=false UseDefaultIdentity=true HtmlLoadExternalOverride=false
[Folder-25] MailingListArchiveAddress=http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/ MailingListEnabled=true MailingListFeatures=95 MailingListHandler=0 MailingListHelpAddress=mailto:opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org MailingListId= MailingListOwnerAddress=mailto:opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org MailingListPostingAddress=mailto:opensuse-factory@opensuse.org MailingListSubscribeAddress=mailto:opensuse-factory+subscribe@opensuse.org MailingListUnsubscribeAddress=mailto:opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org PutRepliesInSameFolder=false UseDefaultIdentity=true htmlLoadExternalOverride=false
maybe you might change the line: html-markup=true
That was my thought too but i wasn't sure if thats a safe thing to do.
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