Il giorno dom, 08/07/2007 alle 20.11 -0400, James Tremblay ha scritto:
Most of the people I introduce to openSUSE complain about how long it takes to install and can't believe it takes an entire DVD just to get Linux running.
This is not going to improve neither with the netinstall nor with the 1 CD install. Even Vista uses a DVD ;-)
You still don't get the point. There won't be any additional LaTeX media. The proposal is to leave LaTeX only on the FTP repository.
There would be if community members made one instead of demanding the devs to carry it on their backs.
Being LaTeX a key package of any UNIX/Linux distribution for ages, noone felt the need to prepare it.
The non-OSS software is on the DVD. You should know that.
Only on the retail DVD, not the download DVD.
Also on download non-OSS DVD (it's identical to the retail one, just split in two, one for each platform while the retail DVD is dual-layer).
Put it in the Education Desktop repository and publicize it more..;)
Hehe. The Edu repository is a great idea. But LaTeX is not only used in education. Check the CTAN usage statistics.
Plus it's the one suggested by Novell developers to do reliable version upgrades. Another thing you should know.
Only because they have to support the best option available today.
Because network is not that reliable ;-) Just do some netinstall and you'll see even big servers like gwdg have issues.
The complexity complaints your referring to are due to the clutter and confusion caused by supporting 4g of software most users don't even know what it is.
I was referring to the complexity of the package manager interface, the need to manually add repositories and such. Software selection is not the issue, being the same on all major distributions.
Then they must be buying the retail package aka boxed set, and it could easily include Add-on Cd's packaged according to intended use i.e. openSUSE for Schools, openSUSE for Architects , openSUSE thin client server, etc...
Right, they should buy a box with the _whole_ distribution inside, or at least the greatest part of it. But it's contradictory to ask for TeX removal and then suggest to buy the box. About the various flavours of openSUSE, for now I think there's no market for all these kind of boxes. And I don't think it would help the management of the distribution that
To conclude, using aka_druid's words, "removing tex utils from the dvd will annoy academic users, and that's bad, period". :-)
If we don't begin to separate software into categories with there own sources\media, we will soon have to ship a 500g HD just to get it all on the same disk.
I agree in part. There are applications not used by a lot of people which are provided. If you consider TeX and sums the users who use it "sometimes", "often" and "very often" you'll obtain something around 28%, which is not negligible. I'm not sure, but probably some development tool and some server are less used.
Read my signature, I am an Education user and I am very aware of what my College\University peers are doing. Can many others here say the same?
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