On 02/08/18 04:27 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
People shouldn't need a bloated, script-supported browser to access a mailing list archive.
Back in the last century, say the early to mid 1980s, when we were living with 300 baud modems, UUCP, and leased lines were for corporate and university budgets (since even Bill Gates wasn't rich back then) sizeable mail attachments were frowned upon. many of us on the UUCP network ran leading edge equipment with 5 or 10Megabytes drives so sending the contents of the OS/2 installation floppies as email attachments (as one person I knew did) though a bang-path was considered not just unsociable but downright malevolent. So we figured out how to do things with smaller messages, and many of us retail that attitude today. using text-mail and not HTML-mail; using out of band stores for images and code extracts or non-trivial size. We also figured out how to do things like managing and accessing archives, accessing indexes and retrieving specific past messages. All via text messaging. (I'll grant you many ML handers have committed these capabilities and some implementations have it turned off. YMMV.) Before we get into an argument about "yes it used to be but we changed all that" and now you are high speed, high capacity cable, let me remind you that we have many people who read the list via and other lists via mobile devices. We pay for bandwidth; we pay HEAVILY for bandwidth and have ridiculously caps. Yes, I know, many mail user interfaces on portable devices default to HTML. This is an evil conspiracy to make unaware end users consume more bandwidth. The wise and wary install a 3rd party mailer that only does or can be configured to it only does text email. (Some well designed web sites recognise access by mobile devices offer lightweight versions of their pages that omit the sidebars and other decorations.) This list does not, when I see what's offered by the 'help' facility, offer the archive-by-email mechanism. I haven't drilled down to see why, but we might ask to make it available. You try: http://mlmmj.org/ see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_archiving#Litigation_and_legal_discovery <quote> With today’s legal discovery rules (....) and compliance legislations, it has become necessary for IT departments to centrally manage and archive their organization’s email, *so email can be searched and found in minutes; not days or weeks*. </quote> (My emphasis added. FOSS also needs to comply with this if it is to stay competitive.) Perhaps openSUSE need to use a different, more capable, ML server or to extend the plugins available so as to offer better better mail based archive access. -- You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious, nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave. -- Sydney Smith -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org