On Wednesday 27 February 2008 21:37:24 Vincent Untz wrote:
sudo should be used by default for a desktop install. It doesn't make any sense to have the root account. There's an option "Use the same password for root as the one used for the user" in the installer, but it's not about sudo, I believe.
Thanks for pointing this out. I was myself a sudo supporter, but someone with more technical experience than me explained to me that sudo is not the right way to follow for various security/conceptual reasons, and I agree. In the end, UNIX has root, and the users should learn to manage it. It doesn't add complexity if properly explained.
I disagree with the fact that people should have to learn about root. It makes things more complex for an average desktop user. I know sudo is not perfect (and PolicyKit will help solve the whole issue in a good way), but it's good enough in the very short term for desktop users.
If PolicyKit does solve the desktop-privileged actions case in the medium term, we should stick with root for consistency with previous openSUSE releases and SLES (I don't see that changing to sudo) until then.
with only a very short look, I saw many not-updated-to-the-latest-versions packages: yelp, totem, epiphany, rhythmbox for example.
This is SUSE policy. The released version is not upgraded until the next release. I usually agree with it, because it's thought to grant stability, but I think it was used in the wrong way sometime, not providing updates when features were lacking (for 10.3, read: anjuta, gedit with python support, ...).
The policy you're talking about is about the stable openSUSE. Using factory, I have a more than one-year old yelp, for example.
Ubuntu is quite good at uploading new packages as soon as upstream releases (at least, for GNOME). This is really great for a developer like me.
I agree. But I don't want to think to continuous updates to the released version ;-)
I think the policy is very relaxed - just 'packagers should update their packages in a timely manner' which leads to inconsistent update frequency across different parts of the distro as packagers have different priorities which product to concentrate on. In the KDE team we cultivate a reputation of having the latest KDE packages before other distros. Will -- Will Stephenson Desktop Engineer KDE Team --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org