On 03/29/2016 12:29 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Simon Lees composed on 2016-03-29 11:51 (UTC+1030):
Felix Miata wrote:
Maybe other DE's on openSUSE are still automatically starting some other sound server or start the pulse audio server without this package. That is mostly what i'm trying to find out here :), you can probably help answer the question by telling me if you had to do any other configuration to get a sound server to start on your machines?
That's really what the following refers to.
Making sound work in Linux is probably the most vexing of routinely encountered problems. YaST makes it easier than elsewhere, but far from bulletproof. https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Audio_troubleshooting is probably worse than useless, good only for adding confusion to a confusing topic.
I was able to establish no reliable sequence of actions or events that I could count on to result in sound working everywhere it ought.
Among tools used besides YaST2, gui $MIXER and gui $SYSTEMSETTINGS -> multimedia, I recall ATM only:
alsactl alsamixer aplay set_default_volume
Conspicuously absent is any tool beginning with string pulse. As Pulseaudio seems to be defined as a layer in between apps and ALSA, it naturally follows that it would amount to little but a way to complicate installations trying to adhere to KISS principles.
This is probably the difference between the two philosophies you are trying to build a system that you deem has a simple as possible software stack where as the approach I am taking is looking for the simplest possible user experience even if it involves some extra "fluf". From looking at the patterns the gnome/kde/mate maintainers have decided to take a similar approach to me, so the question i'm asking is should we apply this approach across all of X11 on openSUSE so each of the smaller DE's don't need to worry about making the decision or knowing they need to make the decision to reduce the mistakes. I'll also note that as this only effects patterns it has no impact on those like you setting up "minimal systems" Cheers -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adeliade Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B