Hello, On Friday, May 26th, 2023 at 12:42 PM, Linda Walsh <suse@tlinx.org> wrote:
On 2023/05/26 02:46, Alin Marin Elena wrote:
Calling out unacceptable opinions shall not be equated with the opinion. The original opinion was homophobic
---- Really? Was it? How would you have written the opinion asking for change, in a way that was not homophobic?
I predict you'll get something like "Asking for removing the rainbow flag is homophobic in itself. You cannot in good conscience be apolitical in this horrible climate of oppression!" back. After all the Just And Righteous like to deal in absolutes.
They were rightly called out and we shall continue to do so.
---- Because it is important to label opinions we don't like as "X"-phobic and to belittle people with such opinions so they will be shamed and maybe leave the project. Really?
That's how it works, yes. Anybody you stick that label on will be an instant outcast and valid target. The Just And Righteous People will ban and often also report him (using the generic masculine here, because it is of course going to be a toxic white male in most cases) to his employer's HR department to make sure he gets fired, too. For that will convince him to see the error of his and the righteousness of their ways. Plus put the fear of getting cancelled into any would-be supporters for bigotry, racism and homophobia is transitive, rendering anyone who lends aid and comfort to The Enemy guilty by association. And that last bit is the very reason why hardly anybody rose to Robert Webb's challenge of | I am disappointed that no one else of you who may disagree with Patrick stepped up to call that unacceptable. People have families to feed and jobs to lose. Disagreeing with The Righteous usually leads to HR department inboxes getting flooded with lots of complaints about the villain in question (How DARE he?!). It's called cancel culture and it hit lots of people who engaged in wrongthink (such as holding right wing or libertarian opinions or - gasp - not displaying sufficient levels of homophilia). Happened to people such as Brendan Eich, Eric S. Raymond, or James Damore for instance. More recently Richard Stallman who cannot be called right wing by any stretch of the definition. Plenty of never published instances of nobodies, too. Saw it happen in my company. Which is why I am posting under a pseudonym myself. The ugly sort of discussion we see playing out here also happens in other open source projects: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/26257#issuecomment-1420656553 Nobody is ever asked whether they want "diverse and inclusive" changes in their projects. Or codices of conduct. They are effectively told. For voicing any fundamental criticism (i.e. "No, I do not want that." as opposed to "Absolutely! But could we change this or that implementation detail.") is usually met with a heavy handed threat of a ban, censorship (the comments the guy refers to have been hidden by virtue of being "marked as abuse") or even nastier things such as hitting the "offenders" employer with a threat of bad publicity by an outraged mob of The Just and Righteous.
I hope all the ones who exposed biggoted opinions or support for them disguised under some form of free speech are soon banned they do not make our community proud.
--- yes, because moving such people to the shadows improves the safety of rainbow-aligned people everywhere. Hmmm...really?
I'd say it breeds quite a bit of resentment. Resentment that did not exist previously. So quite the opposite of the stated goal of fostering inclusion. For it creates a privileged group that is above all doubt or criticism. Or rather a hierarchy of oppression. After all there's not just rainbow people being put on a pedestal by The Just And Righteous.
I see nothing for Attila to be sorry for.
I tend to lean in favor of supporting that statement.
I see quite a bit for him to be sorry for. But since he's (a) got the power to ban people (b) support from people who do not need to worry about their livelihood for publicly supporting the Just And Righteous party line and (c) no opposing voices because these would have to worry about their livelihood for opposing his stance, he needn't worry about that. Just like everyone else on the Right Side of History.
Did the rainbow color break your Linux setup? Um yeah!. My printer ran out of some of those ink colors because
On Fri, 26 May 2023, 10:34 Carlos E. R., <carlos.e.r@opensuse.org On 2023-05-26 04:35, Harry Hu via openSUSE Factory wrote: they are rarely used. That caused print jobs to backup, and wedged my machine! (not really, but....)
Actually I've had my fair share of problems with "inclusive language". master branches getting renamed to 'main' is a real hoot that has caused quite a bit of head scratching with suddenly failing CI, for instance. Switching from a newer version (with "inclusive language") of mbsync back to an older one causes it to fail to parse its configuration file. Recently, a similar issue in Kubernetes brought Reddit down for a couple of hours. This renaming of various things suddenly deemed "non-inclusive" by political breaks code needlessly.
Did it cause any package to malfunction? If not, then this thread should be stopped. You should all be ashamed. You can not help one group or idea by insulting others. Shame on you.
Yeah, talk about tempest in a teapot...
No, this is not a tempest in a teapot at all. People have been getting fired over disagreeing with the Just and Righteous. I have witnessed that myself. Livelihoods destroyed over not baying along with the mob. And they are then getting gaslit with "There is no cancel culture", just to add insult to injury. It's an enormous problem plaguing this entire industry (holding Just And Righteous opinions is pretty much an industry standard and don't you ever dare deviate from the orthodoxy) and it causes both technical damage and existential damage to real people. But then, who cares about people who have been dubbed "literal nazis" anyway, right? Just designate somebody as The Other, as Enemy, as Old White Man, and presto, the end of getting rid of them justifies any and all means, no matter how revolting. Regards, An Anonymous Techie