On 07/08/18 00:34, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 2018-08-05 9:38 p.m., Simon Lees wrote:
To me it seems like we are trying to squeeze 2 completely different things into one list which is possibly causing much of the tension here.
yes. And some of those two have subclauses :-)
1. We need a place for openSUSE developers to discuss openSUSE development - A mailing list still seems like the best solution for this to me. Even though the UI for our lists could be improved.
This is email? What's to improve? The US is in the hands of the end user, the mail reader he or she chooses to use. Or are you proposing allowing html and attachments? Perhaps a different mailing list manager than mlmm, one that offer better help@ and allows email based access to the archives by whatever range the user specifies so that we're not forced to use the ${DEITY}-damned awful UI on the web page we have now. Yes, we're aware the other ML manager have them, either as built in or as 3rd party well supported ad-ins.
There have been numerous discussions in this thread about how the web interface for our mailing lists, and mailing list management software could be better, this is what i'm referencing.
2. A place for tumbleweed users to follow to get updates about <foo is broken don't update>, maybe there is a better medium for these announcements, Dimstar generally posts weekly updates for tumbleweed to news.o.o and for most weeks this is probably all most tumbleweed users need most weeks unless something goes exceptionally wrong.
Are you proposing an opensuse-tumbleweed@o.o list? Migrate some of the traffic there? How will you draw a distinction between 'development' per development and that TW is the development-driven rolling release?
Given that some of use watch development about specifics and don't want the who lock stock and barrel of TW?
I'm asking the question of is a mailing list the best form for this function, given that people are complaining mailing lists aren't great for new users. There is also the fact that really the information mostly only needs to go one way, the possible issue I see with a tumbleweed@o.o list is that likely all of the traffic should either be going A) into a bug report instead or B) to opensuse-support@, Something like what boombatower is working on http://review.tumbleweed.boombatower.com/ would be likely much more useful then a mailing list, then the advice would become check this status page before updating rather then follow the mailing list, especially if we made room on the status page to show the weekly tumbleweed reviews as well. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B