On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Carlos E. R. <carlos.e.r@opensuse.org> wrote:
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On 2012-09-26 21:16, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
If not, then let's discuss to your initial point: Removal of syslog. For servers, syslog is indeed useful and we should continue to support it. The questions are: * Should we install syslog on the desktop by default even if the majority of users will not use it?
IMHO, yes. How else can people post problems and print part of the logs in emails?
* If not: is there a way to install syslog it as part of a server installation?
At least, provide an easy clickable option in yast to have syslog installed and configured since initial system installation.
What scares me is having so much power in a single application, systemd. I prefer the classical unix method of small programs doing their tasks to perfection.
Guys, I think you're missing the boat. For a single workstation we've been told that export tools either are, or will be, provided that generate text versions of the binary logs. As to the underlying logs being cryptographically valid, I can say I'm ecstatic to see that happen. I analyze logs all the time to figure out what happened. And I sometimes have to testify as to what they mean. (Helping lawyers understand computer based evidence is what I do for a living.) I have seen simple text logs edited to have false data, and more importantly every time I review them I have to keep in mind that they may have been tampered with. My hope is that even things like Apache and SMTP. logs are going to be cryptographically validated. fyi: I have a case currently where Apache logs from years ago are the foundation of the case. Since those logs are not cryptographically valid, I can't be sure the logs are actually what they claim to be. So the question is "Did company A log into company B's secure website without authority, or did Company B manipulate the logs to make it seem that way?" It is a non-trivial question in general. Greg Freemyer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org