On 2018-05-30, 07:07 GMT, Scott Bahling wrote:
With the high group memberships numbers today (Languages/Haskell alone for example is 2000+ pkgs) - not to mention the terrible package descriptions that usually go along with it - the yast group view certainly feels more like a telephone book than a curated guide.
Ah yeah, you remind me that I wanted to discuss with the Haskell team if we can make the rpm Group tags better somehow.
It's déjà vu all over again. This is exactly the discussion I have experienced couple of years on Fedora lists. Let me enumerate the steps: 1. Somebody asks “What is the Group field for? Does anybody use it?” 2. “Groups are such mess, that almost nobody uses them.” 3. So, let’s fix them! Current situation when half of our packages are thrown into Text/Processing is crazy 4. <group of volunteers works for weeks on new list of groups, which is incredibly long and detailed, so leaf-nodes lead to some useful selection of packages> 5. It’s crazy, how can I classify everything when selecting from 1200 groups? Why is one text stream processing tool (sed) System/Base and other (python2-html2text) is Development/Languages/Python? Shouldn’t they both be Productivity/File utilities, or perhaps Productivity/Text/Editors ? What about Productivity/Text/Convertors, and Productivity/Text/Utilities? And why there is the first level group Productivity at all? Does it mean that other packages don’t help producitivity? 6. <group of volunteers works for weeks on new list of groups, which is a way shorter> 7. Grr, now Groups are completely useless, because we have 1200 packages in Text/Utilities! 8. <whole dance repeats couple of times> 9. <distro quietly abandons Group field> Take a look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RPMGroups ... the bottom part (“Valid (but deprecated) RPM GROUPS”) is the step 6, top is the step 9. ;) Best, Matěj -- https://matej.ceplovi.cz/blog/, Jabber: mcepl@ceplovi.cz GPG Finger: 3C76 A027 CA45 AD70 98B5 BC1D 7920 5802 880B C9D8 The first mistake in publick business, is the going into it. -- Benjamin Franklin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org