Rajko M a écrit :
jdd wrote:
Rajko M a écrit :
The simple doesn't mean only lesser screen content. most of the time, complicated mean "I don't understand".
It always mean that for a new user.
:-)
Surely some stuff can be made easier, but time and again simple screen is not real help. The way to get help article that will explain what to do, where to find more information,
there is already such a help during install (the left column). It is a very good thing, but could probably be enhanced. may be the left column is not the better place, small width column is not that pleasant to read. some contents could be default values (ie for IP, "if you don't know, use 192.168.0.2") or "you can di this later with yast/networks"
Assuming that something can be made simple by removing screen content is plain wrong,
depends of the screen content :-) Yast is mostly consistent (most screens are alike), but not completely, some screens are disturbing. may be the YaST UI can be fine tuned (but I like it in general)
You can safely assume that if http, that one can see every moment during browsing, doesn't mean nothing to user, than "web server" means even lesser.
do you really type http each time? do you know it's optional? :-). for most people, http mean an html page, not a server. Most people can understand Apache is the better web server, used anywhere, but why is apache used as "httpd", why is the web site located in .../htdocs ? many many things can be enhanced with good doc coming right when it's usefull. I like much the little windows coming under the mouse cursor and the two levels of such things OpenOffice.org have; but I don't see such thing at install time :-)
Whoever wants to play with "do it yourself" web server, must learn some basic information about how the web works, and there is no way to skip it.
what surprised me the most was how much it is easy to have his own web server running (not on the internet, only in intranet) - time ago this was default on most distros (try "localhost" in the browser :-)
May be yast could have a two level "swhowroom", one for only newcommers, the other for more experienced user (and the better of them will probably never use yast :-) - but this is not for install.
That is what Azerion proposes as default (no information) and expert (all available settings).
may be not. The expert needs the less information. The newbie needs infos and little options There where several parts in Azerion mail (if I correctly understand). He asked for a full screen YaST, why not? and for an simple/expert install, what is not stupid. We could have "basic options" (do the rest later), and "all options". Not really a newbie/oldtimer difference, but in the first you have a working system fast and with the second you could answer all the questions at first and let it work later (may be)
YaST is already configured that way and there is no much playroom for further simplification,
I don't think the problem is really there. the problem is that _at install time_ we have very few power at hand, don't know of the hardware and need a very small ram requirement. so we can't give all the bells and whistles we would like to have. after that, when we open yast anew, the situation is all different.
2) driver works for a specific hardware
3) driver is buggy (I mean harware on board driver), it's not normal that cdrom could freeze a computer, but some do)
Present status is that YaST installation is designed very safe for dual boot systems,
and it should stay so... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org