On Friday 03 Aug 2012 16:23:25 Lars Müller wrote:
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 12:56:49PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2012-08-03 11:33, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Friday 2012-08-03 01:45, Carlos E. R. wrote:
What the devs miss for not reading the forums
Are you surprised we don't read it, with that many communication channels that opensuse has?
Not really.
But you miss the pats on the back, like this one, and also a feel for the real problems people are having with the distribution.
The list technology is old legacy software. It feels to me like still using a mobile phone from 1995 today.
I believe we need two things:
Should further discussion be moved to the project list? It seems the sensible list for this type of discussion but I can't help but feel the traffic and subscriber count is so low that there's more benefit to having the discussion here. Which makes your points all the more relevant.
a) less lists to have less of those "this is the wrong list, you question belongst to the opensuse-foo-gaga list" replies.
Yes I very much agree on this point, but at the same time if the lists were to be more aggregated into common areas of discussion I would also advocate more active policing, if this means more list moderators then lets have more list moderators. Trolling is perennial, but not the only destructive problem we have on the lists. The endless prevaricating and bike-shedding on certain lists wastes more time and effort than the trolls and almost certainly makes people unsubscribe due to the level of noise/spam volume it creates. Almost every long thread has it's share of one line responses that say nothing. Most of this crap is off- topic anyway and should also be more closely watched and dealt with by list moderators to help keep the lists fresh and relevant.
b) an easy entry point via http for beginners where it is easily possible for an admin to move a discussion to a different topic/ group.
On the other side we need something which allows more experienced users to still use a mail user agent which is able to handle threading and other advanced features.
We have three interfaces and two mediums: email via traditional list software and browser via the forum servers and news via the forum NNTP gateway. There's lots of overlap here and plenty of useful posts, feedback, reports, support and much more that gets missed if you follow only the lists or only the forums. This seems like an obvious area to improve our community but I think it's deceptively more work that it appears. Cheers the noo, Graham -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org