-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On 08/09/2014 03:27 AM, David Haller wrote:
Hello all,
this site sums it up nicely and gathers references and alternatives:
like: http://ewontfix.com/14/ [look esp. at the 'init' implementation!] http://ewontfix.com/15/
And finally, there's: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd-shim or https://packages.debian.org/sid/systemd-shim (along with eudev etc., also linked from the first site).
I endorse not getting hooked by systemd forever. Maybe it can be just an episode ...
-dnh
PS: I seriously do consider jumping ship (to gentoo or FreeBSD ATM). And I've been using SUSE for >15 years now and contributing quite a bit.
Thanks for your contribution and being a user for so many years, as fellow user and contributor I very much appreciate it. Also as fellow user and contributor I have to say that continued and constant systemd bashing is not conducive to moving the distribution forward and making the openSUSE project a great project to participate in. Quiet frankly I am getting tired of it. systemd has it's downsides, no doubt. But so does init, upstart, you name it. There is no software that doesn't have bugs, or areas that are plain and simply broken. In the end it is just software, bits in a computer. There may come a time where needs change again and another initialization system is developed, for now I would say the train has left the station and given that we just switched to systemd a couple of releases ago, it is still very actively developed, and has become the default initialization system in many distributions we just need to let it cook and see what happens in the future. So, my appeal to all. Please stop the systemd bashing, it leads nowhere. If there is a bug in systemd that annoys you, file the bug or go fix it, be constructive. If because of 1 in the 7000+ packages in Factory the openSUSE distribution no longer meets your needs or your stability expectations then so be it. The internet offers up many alternatives. If because of 1 in the 7000+ packages in Factory you feel the community is no longer a welcoming place where your contributions are appreciated, then so be it. Later, Robert -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJT5fNKAAoJEE4FgL32d2UksiMH/0hrrxl3Wo/ExzDLS/DjcWYi wGobeZN0VJ64b7yZbFz5ih9ZxMc8OPi3UPs+1PBfDCZ7oJZNKi9VxJ36aoFFvIL2 C2xO6db6tcoTePIMMuAvsxPsB/ogiEhW6j5UAjInoNGZ5IbrnuzsgIygZKOaw01F BVRfVPQDsmv5LAQ8qic9J1uK+YfAcnWile9/uBjKBAgEOEIMk6qEFQxTwlJvAgzo uSOLhD6egtV0YIpkme6309SYSz5DPeGuOcqjJEuzHJ/WbB66VCAt/ev9KKIaTSb5 yPzahUzmJ1wuAjtClwvQQDRUArPI59r1EctBR8Wuq7SPPAq3POkLPgcKTViegIA= =a/yl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org