On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE <suse-list3@bout-tyme.net> wrote:
On 04/30/2013 10:33 PM, Cristian Rodríguez pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
El 30/04/13 22:11, Ken Schneider - openSUSE escribió:
And here I thought this was a community distro, but I see it's more of a dictatorship. :-)
It is more a DOocracy that a dictatorship.
I see, DO it my way or go elsewhere.
My final comments:
openSUSE a.k.a. SuSE used to be one of the most stable distros available. Of late many apps have been forced on the users that were *clearly* pre-alpha. I don't remember the releases but the first major fuckup was zypper (or it's backend) that clearly was forced out before it was ready. The next I recall was KDE4 that was clearly pre-alpha when made the default install version. And now systemd has been forced on the masses even though it is not production ready. And this is the point, many sys admins use openSUSE on production servers. Why? Because in the past it was *that* stable. Nowadays not so much. Who in their right mind can risk running a server without boot logs for trouble shooting. Yes, logging has been added but that's not the point. And now if the /binary/ logs become corrupt there is no way to recover them.
It's time for openSUSE to become a leader again instead of doing things just because Fedora does it.
*That* is what I've always objected to binary log formats. They're fragile. Systemd's implementation is fragile too. Mapping files into memory gives you zero ordering guarantees and zero capability to maintain consistency in the event of a system crash. And I mean crash, not even power outage. Mapping doesn't work for logging. It should be undone. Maybe it's only the runtime log the one mapped, but still that's fragile. Because it's always the last log entries the ones I'm interested in, so there's no point in delaying log flushes, or pretending the "runtime" log can be less persistent than the "final" log. It's quite clear systemd's authors don't get logging at all. Logging can't be fragile. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org