On Friday, September 14, 2012 10:11:56 Stefan Botter wrote:
On Friday, September 14, 2012 03:45:51 AM Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 12/09/12 21:27, Carlos E. R. escribió:
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On Wednesday, 2012-09-12 at 12:06 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
On 12/09/12 10:28, Carlos E. R. wrote:
After everything on that level has been started, same as with systemV. Surely it is obvious.
There are no sequential runlevels, in fact there are no runlevels at all, just a minimal compatibility that emulates them.
"after everything on that level" is equal to "start shutdown sequence."
You know what we mean, so please stop being obtuse and translate it to systemd terminology.
Yes, I know what you mean, and the answer is : It is not possible to do without writting your own units, because this idea/requirement is an ambigous, ill concieved hack.
OK, that again translates in systemd is no drop-in-replacement to sysV init, and I am left to my own devices on keeping systems running, which rely on the features sysV init provides.
I understand that openSUSE is - and has been - just a playground to test things, but is also the kindergarten for business products. High availability solutions like heartbeat, pacemaker, corosync rely on sysV init, or at least on the /etc/init.d scripts.
And the init scripts will continue to work.
Yes, I know, the main source for running resources are resource scripts, but for the sake of simplicity the init scripts can be used, as starting and stopping a service is achieved in a easy yet flexible way. The cluster resource manager keeps track of the resources by checking their status. And here systemd fails spectacularly.
Indeed, that's one thing a solution is needed for.
As long as systemd does not provide the same features as sysV init, dropping sysV init is the wrong way to go. If it is really, *really* necessary, *do not drop the init scripts*, as cluster software will fail on update.
Let me state it again: The LSB init script support will not get dropped. Andreas
PS: Yes, I know, the replies to that are: if you are using openSUSE for enterprise tasks, use the enterprise software. Come on!
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