This time I was little bit more thorough logging what I have seen. I like 1 CD installation. It loads basic system fast and than I can add whatever I want. I tried that with 10.2 alpha 4, but it doesn't work that way. 1) Hard disk choice doesn't exist as source of installation. Later I've found out that some actually exist in text mode installation, hidden in Network Installation, it goes trough Network settings (?!) and than asking for directory, but it doesn't work on iso images. I didn't tried again with installation source expanded to directories CD1 to CD5. 2) Next, I tried with CD 1 to install Base system and than fro running text mode install the rest. It requires some 500 MB, but also 4 CDs (?). What happened to idea to have 1 CD for essential stuff? 3) So I quited installation, added another 3 CDs and tried to install Base + AppArmor + Console. It gives > 1 GB including some KDE files and requires all 5 CDs. I didn't checked what was from KDE, I remember kdelibs. I guessed that Console means text mode and few more applications like "mc", not graphic mode Console. I interrupted installation at that moment. Package dependencies seems to grow system to classic bloat. 4) Than when it is needed all 5 CDs, I decided to install default KDE, but after warm boot to SUSE 10.0, CDRW disappeared. Cold boot solved the problem and was CD5 added to set. 5) It is already mentioned that partitioning proposals are given in a strange way. First it tried to remove 10.0 installation from /dev/hda1, and create two partitions, than tried to remove data partition, on the same disk, than I stopped to play with different menu options and went to expert and gave /dev/hdb1 for installation. Partitioner warned me that it will be better with swap. Good, swap exists, I added it buy entering dialog where all was set just to click to OK and exit. This might be somewhat shorter, and just explain that we need a swap and ask which one to include. 6) Next is kind of my mistake, I should review expert options and prevent boot loader installation, and later fiddling to give control back to 10.0. 7) Audio was not installed. I can't recall that it was ever mentioned. The adapter is plain VT8233/A/8235/8237 so something with detection wasn't OK. Taking long list of: udev[411]: lookup_group: <misc devices> not found (or missing), during initial hardware detection, it can be that. 8) On first boot after installation, I got huge letters on both screens. What means huge, few letters from the top-right corner of the screen. Not enough space for a single word. Go back to terminal (Ctrl-ALt-F2), log in as root and start sax2. The same problem. No normal way out, but Ctrl-ALt-Back Space to kill X. I'm used to handle huge virtual screen like 1280x1024 in small real resolution, but this was not the same case. Mouse pointer went from side to side and didn't moved the screen. I have no good experience with sax in uncommon cases. I tried to start mc. Ups, it is not installed by default. Yast was installed so go and buy mc. With mc it showed up that Gateway EV500 15" monitor physical size was set to 28 21 in xorg.conf. This is correct in centimeters, but xorg server expects millimeters. Add 0 behind both and restart X. Desktop came back, only icons were randomly dropped around. Probably KDE was confused due to previous bad setting in xorg.conf. Many icons one over another. 9) The Main Menu is huge. Font is now OK, but surface is far beyond screen. Restarting KDE doesn't help. Go back to mc and find in users .kde directory kickerrc. Menu size was KMenuHeight=1950 KMenuWidth=3160 resize to 400x600 and restart KDE again. Menu is good now. This must be due to same 28x21 (cm) screen size that is probably bad entry in monitor DB. 10) As mentioned Midnight Commander is not installed by default. It should be in Alpha version. It is swiss army knife for troubleshooting. More I think, it should be included Base pattern anyway. 11) Now I need tiny-nvidia-installer to make use of MX4000 adapter. For now I don't know easier way to have nvidia drivers installed. Use YaST and install it. I know that I need kernel sources. They are not listed as dependency of installer, only xorg-X11-server-sdk, and that pulls in all of xorg development. Interesting. 12) gcc is not prerequisite (dependency) of kernel sources. If gcc is not installed what can I do with sources? I came with system configuration this far. Nvidia is left for some other day. 13) Attempt to see Krita that is in the same category as GIMP, finished with application crash. I'll try to see how to reproduce this. General 10.2 is nice and fast, and excluding installation, I can't see major problems. -- Regards, Rajko. Visit http://en.opensuse.org/MiniSUSE --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org