Am 24.05.23 um 21:14 schrieb Pablo Sanchez:
On 2023-05-24 15:00, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
maybe you should obtain the meaning of "political".
Given the Merriam-Webster definition below, I don't see the rainbow flag being at all "political" Not by any stretch.
Would you please cite a reputable website that defines "political" as you see it and how having a rainbow flag fits as being political?
::: Definition :::
1a: of or relating to government, a government, or the conduct of government 1b: of, relating to, or concerned with the making as distinguished from the administration of governmental policy
2: of, relating to, involving, or involved in politics and especially party politics 3: organized in governmental terms political units 4: involving or charged or concerned with acts against a government or a political system
Here a different definition about "Politik" from the "Bundeszentrale für politische Bildung" ("Federal Institution for Political Education"), translations are done by me: 1) Im klassischen (aus dem griech. »polis« abgeleiteten) Sinne bezeichnet P. Staatskunst, das Öffentliche bzw. das, was alle Bürgerinnen und Bürger betrifft und verpflichtet, i. w. S. das Handeln des Staates und das Handeln in staatlichen Angelegenheiten. (Translation: In the classical sense is politics identified as everything which applies and obligates to citizen. In further sense actions by the state and acts related to state affairs.) 2) P. bezeichnet die aktive Teilnahme an der Gestaltung und Regelung menschlicher Gemeinwesen. (Translation: Politics denotes the active participation on shaping and regulating human community.) 3) Bezogen auf moderne Staatswesen, bezeichnet P. ein aktives Handeln, das a) auf die Beeinflussung staatlicher Macht, b) den Erwerb von Führungspositionen und c) die Ausübung von Regierungsverantwortung zielt. (Translation: Relating to modern states, politics identifies active acts which aim to a) influence state power, b) acquire leading positions and c) performing government responsibility.) In case of openSUSE 2) applies. Anyway, the actual reason why I am writing here is another: the core problem at hand. openSUSE and the free software movement is a political movement at its core. I think at least most people know that. LGBTQ is made up of two parts: LGBTQ people (I don't know if that's the right term here, but I hope everyone understands what I mean) and the political movement about bettering their position in societies. A lot of people like to separate different political movements. They want to have one community for one thing (e.g. the free software movement) and another for another topic (e.g. the political movement part of LGBTQ). Depending on where somebody comes from that can be the norm or weird. Same goes for mixing different topics. Now, what is the meaning flying this flag? Well, that depends on who you ask, but it can very well be interpreted as supporting the other political movement which a lot of people may not like, even if they support it. As you can maybe imagine from that, it means that there will always be people who will be against flying this flag, I even know of a lot of LGBTQ people who do for this reason (besides the fact that it barely even does anything; it was originally meant to make them known, but at this points this is the case, but I digress). Last but not least, I want to say two things here: 1. Not flying the flag does not mean accpeint homophobes. 2. Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity or ignorance. Sincerely Kilian Hanich