On 10/24/2011 11:09 PM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
On Tuesday 25 October 2011 03:14:31 Will Stephenson wrote:
Possibly I have to respond to this. Before proceeding I just want to point out that many factual statements you made are quite doubtful.
I think you could add info on KDE3 being included in 12.1. Possibly it worth mentioning that this makes asylum for at least a part of users who dislike Gnome 3.
This is my strong objection to mentioning KDE 3 in our 12.1 marketing and release notes. SUSE has a long and undistinguished history of letting noisy tails wag the whole dog, but there is no need for the openSUSE project to continue this.
Martin Gräßlin approaches the problems facing the Trinity fork of KDE 3 in this article at freiesmagazin [1] (German), but to apply his analysis to the KDE:KDE3 packages and our distribution, and for those who don't read German or trust machine translation, my objection comes down to 2 major things.
It is amazing that people make such extensive articles with analysis of a desktop they believe have no future (as the analysis claims and tries to prove). Well, this is possibly a unique case with such extensive attack on an open-source product.
Anyway, I just want to point out that if some software can be proven to "have no future", then the same argument can be applied to any other software whatsoever. For example, one can arguably claim that KDE4 has no future because it will be superseded with KDE5, Gnome 3 will be superseded by Gnome 4 etc.
There is simply no software with provably infinite future in the world. One only can speculate about the possible expected term of actual state for any piece of the software.
You are missing the point. We do not necessarily know what is next, but we do know what is current and we know the projects where the majority of developers spent their time end effort. To make an analogy with cars; there are still people that drive around in a Model T, but the Model T is certainly not the future of the automobile. Generally I would say the future of the car is not know, electric, hybrid, will cars fly? Who knows. What we do know is that the current car technology includes AC, heat, ABS, air bags.... and no matter how much people love their Model T, you will just not find those features, safety and convenience in a car that's 100 years old. That said, I think that you are putting in the effort to maintain KDE3 for those who are still interested in using it is commendable. However, advertising it at the expense of other more current technology is, IMHO, not a good idea. I also agree with those that say KDE3 should not be part of the main distribution. The main distribution of openSUSE should represent current technology, if not we might as well still ship a 2.2 kernel (to make an extreme point). The release notes should focus on the new release, however, we also should have a section that points out the community work that is not part of the release, this is where KDE3 should be mentioned. Later, Robert -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX Tech Lead rjschwei@suse.com rschweik@ca.ibm.com 781-464-8147 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org