Luca Beltrame writes:
Achim Gratz wrote:
How you suppose that this increases your chances of getting the feedback you seem to want is not clear to me.
After saying that some feature will be back in Plasma 5.3 and getting answers as "I'll believe it when I see it", I understood there was no point in asking.
Here on this list, all I'm trying to discuss is the transition plan (or lack thereof) from KDE 4.x to Plasma5. If you want to continue that other discussion, please do it where it was started. I've been using SuSE as my main desktop since 1999 and essentially updated that initial installation until today, migrating it to the third computer so far. When I moved to Tumbleweed (again, not on a throwaway installation or VM) it was defined as "the latest release plus the newest kernel plus whatever GKH thinks is stable enough to be used". I needed the newest kernel at the time to work around some serious bugs with my second machine, but the Git, KDE and LibreOffic updates were welcome additions, too. Tumbleweed got redefined to a fully rolling distribution in the meantime, ostensibly with the goal of having more real-world users test the latest and greatest stuff after the automated testing has weeded out the biggest bugs. So far that risk seemed acceptable and manageable to me, so I continued to use TW and so far I think I've been getting a good deal. The Plasma5 update you are planning to do is redefining Tumbleweed again, and in some ways destroys the original promise of "safe for daily work" completely. There is no way to go back and you even intend of forcing that big transition at a time that the user can not control (actually you can't control it either since it will come around when testing is complete). Sure, I can hold off on updates, but that's not going to work for long since I wouldn't be getting security updates either. Trying to lock KDE 4.x for a while on my own is an option, but of course if it breaks (the packages are no longer in TW as well, so no automated tests either) then you're going to tell me that I should update. If I update and things break you're going to tell me to file upstream bugs. Going back to 13.2 is also not really an option at this point in time. I don't know about you, but the potential havoc does decrease the appeal of TW by several notches for me. If you continue to want real-world users on TW you need to mitigate some of these concerns. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ Waldorf MIDI Implementation & additional documentation: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfDocs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org