On Monday, September 12, 2011 07:55:50 AM phanisvara das wrote:
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 20:02:25 +0530, Roger Luedecke
<roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
Those who "believe" can't really do anything else but project their faith based lack-of-reasoning reasoning on others, thus they don't see the fundamental distinction between believing in X vs believing in Y vs not believing in anything.
They can't understand that it is not required to believe in anything in order to have structure, process, civilization, ethics/morals, even hope, even ceremony. They can't even conceive of any other motivation or explanation for ones actions. They can't explain anyones actions any other way than to assume that any set of rules anyone follows is just their religion, no different than any other religion.
Of course billions of people are insane. The number hardly matters, only the facts. Billions of people are all human and so of course many have the same innate weaknesses. At one time everyone "knew" the world was flat. And they were, every single one, wrong.
This is not productive. You are welcome to your views, as is anyone. We do not require anything but technical skill to enable our project goals. We are not a platform for religion, or for anti religious sentimentor propaganda.
roger, you're correct, of course. this part of the discussion has nothing to do with openSUSE and shouldn't be taking place. nevertheless, like almost everybody else, i've got to throw my opinion in here:
brian doesn't realize that, with his categorical statements about "believers," he's just as wrong as many dogmatic believers are: making his faith into another dogma that people have to subscribe to lest they be labeled insane. what's the difference to some fanatic [fill in your least favorite religion]? none.
we all have to believe, because in reality we know nothing. you may believe in the output of some computer network that monitors a particle accelerator and declare that prticle [x] has been discovered, only to be refuted later when somebody else discovers particle [y]. i believe in god, and i've chosen a particular way to try to learn more and get closer to the purpose of life, which i believe exists -- but i KNOW that both of us may be wrong, and that others, who choose a different way to that 'god,' are probably as right as i am. all of us are limited due to our very fallible human nature, and that includes brian k. white. Agreed. For those who insist religion is being censored, may I remind you that Sword IS ALREADY AVAILABLE in the education repo. That repo is publicly available under "commuity repos" in YaST. There is no reason to move it to factory. The package is an education tool, and thus belongs in the repository it has happily resided in for O so long. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org