On Wed, 13 Aug 2014, 15:49:28 +0200, Tomas Cech wrote:
Sorry to enter this thread this late. I'll try to be constructive as much as possible. I don't want to continue in discussion about features or bugs in systemd but rather talk about possible alternative.
As I read opinions here, people here agree that the way switch to systemd was done and the fact that we don't have possible alternative to that - it was unfortunate and something we should learn from.
1] I see no reason, why not to do it properly now. Can we somehow create poll with question
'Do you want support for systemd in openSUSE?'
That could quantify opinions of community and it wouldn't depend on how strong voice Christian or Linda have (in number of e-mails or emotional outbursts :).
In case that openSUSE community would feel that having working alternative to systemd is important for them, we could
2] set the rule, that package should be able to compile and work both with and without systemd.
We could create system wide RPM macro like '%with_systemd' and use it in spec files to make the tests easier to perform and bring back old init scripts. (It could also help people to derivate systemd-less system).
Bringing back old init (or adapting another one like dmd :b) is huge task for small group, but can be reasonable task for each package maintainer.
So shortly,
check if there is will of people and if there is, change this political problem to technical one which can solve together.
We are the driving community, we can do the change _iff_ we want.
+1 thanks Tomas, very well appreciated! This is most likely the way David probably had in mind when initially writing the first message in this thread...
Best regards,
Tomas Cech
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