-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On 08/11/2014 04:31 PM, David Haller wrote:
Hello,
On Mon, 11 Aug 2014, Robert Schweikert wrote:
On 08/11/2014 01:49 AM, Michal Kubecek wrote:
On Saturday 09 of August 2014 06:09:14 Robert Schweikert wrote:
So, my appeal to all. Please stop the systemd bashing, it leads nowhere. If there is a bug in systemd that annoys you, file the bug or go fix it, be constructive. If because of 1 in the 7000+ packages in Factory the openSUSE distribution no longer meets your needs or your stability expectations then so be it.
The problem is it's not one package. In the name of systemd, the whole system is being redesigned and reworked in order to make the other options stop working.
This implies malicious intend. I doubt that anyone makes any changes with the intent to break something else.
The whole design of systemd reeks of malicious intent (now, that's a bit of bashing *hrhr*). It may be unwillingly, but the effect is the same. Out of whatever actual intent.
I've found numerous cases where changes have been done to other packages that don't help systemd and systemd systems at all but only break non-systemd systems. And then I keep reading these "if you want to provide an alternative, you are welcome to do so" appeals. It's frustrating and I really feel like I'm being mocked on purpose.
Sorry you feel this way. In the end it is up to each package maintainer to decide which SRs to accept and which ones to decline. If there is a pending SR that removes sysV init support and makes systemd the only support than it is up to the package maintainer to decide if this is OK or not.
It is _NOT_ up to the package maintainer if openSUSE removes sysvinit from the distro and tons of changes require you to install systemd.
Well I guess I shouldn't really respond, but just for clarification. Are you telling me that if I maintain a package that also is in factory there is someone that can force me to remove the code in the spec file that also supports sysV init? BTW, I do maintain a number of packages that have sysV init code and systemd code and no one has approached me yet about ripping out the sysV init support, and yes those packages are in Factory. Anyway, please introduce me to the person that can force me or any other maintainer to get rid of sysV init code in a package, I certainly have not yet made their acquaintance.
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If systemd just were another init (like upstart, openrc, etc.), I wouldn't care. But IT IS NOT. Far from it!
Well something obviously makes you hate systemd, a very emotional reaction to bits that manipulate transistors on a chip made from inorganic materials. Later, Robert - -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU SUSE-IBM Software Integration Center LINUX Tech Lead Public Cloud Architect rjschwei@suse.com rschweik@ca.ibm.com 781-464-8147 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJT6gr3AAoJEE4FgL32d2UkuD8H/RCWKGMzgvQ/22b2fs1f5xGn 7imFF1UX8UDer8QHwd2g9OZNOelyrxePFfNziahQRj0mj0K7F9auxjILrejZcsNy 4qCbswSJcnDp3jCwKP05neYxLZuP6anItKbEq7darhe9fl3fSy89I2UjrJOOLHMA Cr7GM7IXqnjNpjDv693QL8mCVihuuniGK0LOPQxt+X2wBVcbpzj/n1Q7pAQeMn8E 3+HSepcsiAmPyrECLRCAo1yRvDsAj9HhC92jcuI5m6AeL14KnxpYNC5isi9Uktlh +L+trDkicP91SxH2AznBBXruDRMmKTb2bZHeYxtV6J42tB2b8yPcZD9PQXXsiyU= =DpmH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org