On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Milan Zimmermann <milan.zimmermann@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Milan Zimmermann <milan.zimmermann@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I have two questions for which I was unable to find any reasonable clarifications online.
My first question is: What repositories URLs do I set to start using, and follow, Leap?
The ISOs are at: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/42/images/iso/
It doesn't seem the discrete packages are being published yet: https://build.opensuse.org/project/repositories/openSUSE:42
Thanks; yes, I was looking for discrete packages, rather than ISOs
My second question is: Looking in the future, will all Tumbleweed repos be based on Leap? In other words, will Tumbleweed repos draw from same codebase as Leap? (except Tumbleweed would generally contain newer versions than "Leap stable").
Leap is downstream of everything.
So leap basically pulls from Tumbleweed for what looks like 75% or so its packages, but it also pulls from SLES 12 (and updates) as well as from other repos as appropriate.
Ok thanks; Is there a plan, at the point of Leap 42.1 release, to sync Leap 42.1 back into Tumbleweed?
I think you have it backwards.
Well, I always understood that Tumbleweed is on the tip, and so, for example, a 13.2 release would essentially be performed tagging Tumbleweed with the release number (maybe that is not right but that is what I thought). But various online posts and description of Leap that I did read in the news, completely confused me in that regard - I actually understood the descriptions that the relationship is backwards :) - that is partly why I started asking here :) I appreciate your patience - I am expanding my initial questions so please feel free to say so if this does not seem helpful in general (more expansion below)
For the "core" packages:
SLE12 was pulled out of Tumbleweed roughly a year ago.
I did not know this.
Leap has just pulled those core packages out of SLE12 (as well as SLE12 updates)
Yes, the about 25%, correct?
At some point the next SLE12 service pack will selectively pull packages and patches out of Tumbleweed. Great effort will be made to ensure a reliable service pack is created.
Shortly after the next SLE12 service pack is released, Leap's core packages will be synced with that service pack.
Ok
I guess I am curious if a) those changes that came to Leap 42.1 from SLES will be in Tumbleweed
Tumbleweed is at the point of the spear. Changes should go there first. (ie. before SLES or Leap).
Ok, I think that was always the case. But what it means in practical terms right now: I am on Tumbleweed, does that mean I am on a path to Leap? In other words, I am using these repos; home-server:~ # zypper lr -E -u # | Alias | Name | Enabled | GPG Check | Refresh | URI ---+--------------------+--------------------+---------+-----------+---------+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 | packman-essentials | packman-essentials | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | http://mirror.karneval.cz/pub/linux/packman/suse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/Essenti... 5 | packman-multimedia | packman-multimedia | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | http://mirror.karneval.cz/pub/linux/packman/suse/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/Multime... 6 | repo-debug | repo-debug | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/debug 7 | repo-non-oss | repo-non-oss | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/non-oss 8 | repo-oss | repo-oss | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss 9 | repo-update | repo-update | Yes | (r ) Yes | Yes | http://download.opensuse.org/update/tumbleweed/ If I keep using them, at the point of release of 42.1, will it make my system same as Leap 42.1? If that is the case, at that point I can decide whether to change my repos to Leap repos and be on Leap, or continue using my repos above, and be on Tumbleweed.
and b) how much different Tumbleweed and 42.1 will be at that point (bigger difference would indicate more future divergence although I realize that is a speculation).
Again, at least 75% of Leap is coming straight from Tumbleweed. For those packages, approximately 1 year from now it seems Leap will jump forward to where Tumbleweed has advanced to.
Ok, so basically Leap 42.2 will be a tag on Tumbleweed at that point?
For the core packages, Leap will mostly follow what SLES 12 is doing with its service packs.
Ok
My reason for that curiosity is self serving - in trying to decide whether to use Leap or Tumbleweed in the future (for 9 months or so I am on Tumbleweed and except of a few month period of switching to Plasma 5 it has been stable for daily operation)
That's the question lots of people will have to face. I'm still on 13.1 and 13.2. I will likely go with Leap.
That is what I am thinking about too, but wanted to understand the relationship (if anything, to help me switch considering I am on Tumbleweed now). Thanks Milan
Thanks Milan
Greg
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