* Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de> [2011-06-11 18:39]:
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:41:56AM +0200, Guido Berhoerster wrote:
* Frederic Crozat <fcrozat@suse.com> [2011-06-10 19:04]:
systemd is coming for next openSUSE (12.1) scheduled next fall.
As far as I'm aware there was only one recent discussion on this this list about it [1] which started with the premise that systemd will be the default for 12.1. I'd like to know who has decided when and for what reasons that systemd will be the default for 12.1? More specifically, what alternatives were considered and why and how is systemd serving the openSUSE project better in the long term?
There is only one alternative, and that package is no longer being maintained or developed, so there really isn't anything else to choose from.
As for why to switch, you did read the long series of posts about systemd for admins, right? All of those things are stuff that users want, and care about, why would we not provide them?
This was not about offering systemd as an option, but part of the proposal ("phase 3") was to replace SysV init files with native systemd files. And an init daemon is not any arbitrary package, fully comitting to an implementation has long-term consequences. Hence, I would expect some kind of decision-making based on some real considerations rather than just following the latest buzz and the quite vocal promotion of its author.
I admit that I disapprove of its approach to cram everything but the kitchen sink into an init daemon (including stuff completely unrelated to init such as (auto)mounting, handling LUKS volumes, controlling the system locale, time, and hostname, replacing ConsoleKit, or the planned per-user session-startup functionality) rather thank keeping it simple and doing one thing well (a design philosophy which has served Un*x systems rather well in terms of functionality, security, and sustainability of codebases). So far it's not even clear where this will end.
It does one thing well, the rest is supported by helper scripts and plugins.
Do you have an alternative that you think should be used instead?
I'd really like to have an answer to my initial questions (including why we have to switch the default init system at all right now). But the alternatives I am aware of are sysvinit which we are using right now and upstart, given the (im)maturity of systemd, the lack of clarity where the scope of systemd will eventually end, and my aforementioned concerns I'd consider both of these the lesser evil.
And note, we aren't talking about taking away the choice to use systemv from what I can tell, you can always go back to that if you want to for some reason.
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