Per Jessen schreef:
Clayton wrote:
I haven't spent enough time with 11.0Alphas to speak for changes there, but in 10.3 and older.... when you open YAST (using all default settings, no after-install tweaks, so as a new user would use it), and select a few packages to be installed, the dependency and conflict resolution does not happen until you either click the Check Dependencies button, or you click Apply... then a window is popped open which basically says, oh by the way I have all these other packages that need to be installed... no clear indication of what extra bits belong to which applicaton.
Isn't there a tickbox to enabled dependency auto-check? WHich is disabled by default as it often takes too long to check for every change.
Anyway, does the inexperienced user really care what belongs to the application or not?
In conflict resolution, the window used to display the conflict errors is confusing even to experienced users... and you never feel you really have a handle on what is going on, or what you just did was what you hoped you wanted.
Hmm, I actually quite like that window with conflict resolution.
Well sometimes, especialy when making the wrong choices, more and more pkgs have to be removed, which causes a crawling up, uncomfortable feeling... Disgarding, and start over, mostly leeds to the right choice, and understanding of what influences what... ;)
Looking at software outside of openSUSE... take Synaptic... again from a new user perspective... Synaptic, like Smart, also presents information about the app you are installing/updating... you know when you click on something what the impact is likely to be.
But as a new users aren't you unlikely to have any real need/use for that information?
/Per Jessen, Zürich
They need it to take away the fear to do something wrong, and wreck their install. They get scared seeing a list with 42 pkgs to be removed, when wanting to add 2... (even scares me sometimes...and after wrecking several installs, and the xtra work that brings, it seems even justified..) With these two; additional 38 pkgs are going to be installed, which balances the equasion a bit... I must admit, that it is very tense, and exiting to use, especialy in the beginning... The gui is good, when versions work again. I used synaptics in debian, and liked it also, but Yast is more mature... jmo. ;), and if the improvements, which are suggested, and shown on screenshots, are realy made, it will be the best pkgmngr ever, i guess. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.25-rc8-12-default x86_64 Current user: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 System: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha3 KDE: 4.00.68 (KDE 4.0.68 >= 20080402) "release 3.1" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org