On Friday, 28 June 2019 11:23 Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:
Actually, I want to weigh in here: if said maintainer would not have started off the rambling bot-vs-bot fight and approached the release team like other packagers did in the past: there would very likely have been no issue at all in granting the exception to have the changelog mention 'all patches removed' or similar. We did have such things, especially for packages where the number of patches did grow high and a release managed to squash them all.
First: if you read Stefan mails carefully, you will notice that's what Stefan already tried to do in the most natural way: reopen the request with comment explaining why he believes his changelog entry should be accepted even if the bot disagrees. The fact that such attempt results in request being closed again by the bot within minutes is something that I find personally way worse than the blind and mindless bot rule itself. And any hope that someone notices such reopen and acts upon it is in vain. Second: In the past, I tried to contact responsible people directly when the most natural way didn't work. All I got was various people repeating the mantra "Bot is good, bot knows what it's doing, do what the bot told you." on and on. (Quite a lot like this thread - except that unlike here, there were only the people tied to the system.) Only in one case I won eventually but it took _months_ of effort, spending hours writing to different people, endless frustration and despair. Honestly, I can't blame Stefan for not having the patience. I have to fully support what Hans-Peter wrote: this mindless bot driven management drives maintainers and potential maintainers away from the distribution. It's not only Stefan, I know other people, including SUSE employees who tell me "I'm perfectly happy maintaining the package in my home project but I don't have time and patience for the bureaucracy and constant pestering I would face if I submitted it to Factory. I would love to tell them things are not that bad - but unfortunately I can't. Michal Kubecek -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org