If you would see any space for help from volunteers, then we've started to collect areas where the project (not necessarily just Leap 16) could use some help. We Just need to make sure that there is a space for help in a given area. Sometimes it could be quite tricky. https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/help Any thoughts would be welcome. The end goal is to turn these ideas/areas into banners at openSUSE Conference etc. Otherwise, I'm not as super concerned about volunteers, given my experience from Leap 15.X. Resources were always a struggle and we always made it. I see it more as an opportunity for areas, where we've been previously "held back more" by SUSE. I understand the situation changed (desktop etc) but my POV doesn't change as I know we can rely on our existing "Leap crew", including Marcus, Max, Fabian, Oliver, Santi, Jose, Martin, Jacob, Mauricio, Simon, Bernhard, Georg, Christian, Frank, Lukas, Guillaume, Sarah, Dirk, $YOU,... I can't even recall how many dozens of recognitions I sent for 15.3, 15.4 :) People like to jump on board and help where they can once the foundation is set. I also understand that Richard wants to see a change compared to how we did things in past. Perhaps also see increased ownership, and accountability, and ensure project success before kicking the ball. I have nothing against it, and appreciate the raised awareness. I am personally interested in how that turns out. Just to remind everyone that we have some bad experience with commitment ahead of time (see e.g. armv7 on Leap). Cheers Lubos On Wed, 2023-05-03 at 13:48 +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, May 03, 2023 at 12:14:19PM +0200, Richard Brown wrote:
On 2023-05-03 11:11, Marcus Meissner wrote:
Hi,
The current efforts are less than 0.1 persons (FTE) to coordinate openSUSE maintenance. We get a limited amount of submits on the OBS side, almost everything comes from the SLE side.
Note that we have setup only maintenance for openSUSE Leap, but not Leap Micro as Leap Micro is pretty much only a SLE export.
We can keep it at that level at least for ALP.
So from the security side (and so largely the maintenance side), we can can likely cover a similar set of products we current supply
2 products are okay, 3 might be okay, but more will get more an more confusing and more work.
And we should be able to reuse as much work as possible between those.
From my point the Leap project should really focus on a limited set of products that our users prefer.
Ciao, Marcus
Thank you Marcus, this is really very helpful, just the sort of info we need and will help us scope what we can realistically do going forward
As openSUSE ALP Micro and openSUSE ALP Bedrock are just like Leap Micro (pretty much exports), is your 2-3 products limit in ADDITION to those two export products?
Or are you basically saying "we have resources for a single new openSUSE ALP community built product"?
As said in the call, I think we can do Leap/ALP Micro, Leap/ALP Bedrock + 1 Leap general purpose distro.
Ciao, Marcus