* Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org> [2012-09-27 09:41]:
Le mercredi 26 septembre 2012, à 22:01 +0200, Per Jessen a écrit :
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
If not, then let's discuss to your initial point: Removal of syslog.
Actually, that is not my point. I don't really care if syslog is removed from the default pattern(s), although it does mean a little more work for me. However, I want to know _why_ it should be removed, in particular how the removal would benefit the majority of our users.
(assuming the desktop target; because I see the point of syslog on servers; I guess we can play with the patterns to get syslog installed on servers by default)
Actually, I'd argue that the question we should ask ourselves is "why should we install syslog by default?". Clearly, it was there before because we needed a way to log things. Now, if we have journald, this need is already covered. So is there a reason to keep syslog by default?
Note that it's really the same question as with any other package: do we need to install Firefox by default? Yes, we want a web browser and we want this one by default because it's good, well-maintained and people like it. Do we need to install mutt by default? Hrm probably no, we want a mail client, but there's already one coming with the desktops.
The reasons for installing syslog by default I can think of are: - it has always been like that (well, not really a good reason) - tons of documentation refer to this log setup (can we update our doc for the release?) - it makes debugging easier (is it true? or is this only a matter of documentation)
There might be other valid reasons.
- it's a standardized solution and there's no compelling reason to replace it - there are tons of existing scripts, tools, applications supporting it, not all of which controlled by oS - almost all of the purported advantages can be achieved using rsyslog which has none of the drawbacks such as binary logs - extracting binary logs from a box (be it broken or for forensics) suddenly becomes a problem if you're not running the exactly same systemd version -- Guido Berhoerster -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org