On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Roger Luedecke
<roger.luedecke@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 12, 2011 06:41:30 AM Brian K. White wrote:
On 9/10/2011 4:00 PM, John McInnes wrote:
On 09/09/2011 08:33 PM, Brian K. White wrote:
While I don't care much for that particular bedtime story, others may well be offended by biased religious views (even more so if their's differing).
Religious apps? I have no use for them either, and although I'm absolutely atheist and have quite firm and quite unflattering opinions of anyone who actually believes any of that nonsense, or even allows for it's possibility in any real way,
Even though I think a disbelief in any religion is fundamentally different than believing one religion vs another, and would argue that it's perfectly valid to criticize any believer and treat them exactly as you would treat anyone else who has demonstrated that they are insane or incompetent or out of touch in any other way,
So billions of people are insane? [revised a few times to be more diplomatic.. ---> ] Hmm but isn't Atheism is a religion all its own, with leaders, followers, mantra, faith, and yes bigots?? I know some rabid Richard Dawkins followers, the irony is always lost on them.
I know this has little to do with opensuse-factory, but I didn't start the name calling. Actually this goes much farther then just name calling one person..
-johnm
Those who "believe" can't really do anything else but project their faith based lack-of-reasoning reasoning on others, thus they don't see the fundamental distinction between believing in X vs believing in Y vs not believing in anything.
They can't understand that it is not required to believe in anything in order to have structure, process, civilization, ethics/morals, even hope, even ceremony. They can't even conceive of any other motivation or explanation for ones actions. They can't explain anyones actions any other way than to assume that any set of rules anyone follows is just their religion, no different than any other religion.
Of course billions of people are insane. The number hardly matters, only the facts. Billions of people are all human and so of course many have the same innate weaknesses. At one time everyone "knew" the world was flat. And they were, every single one, wrong.
This is not productive. You are welcome to your views, as is anyone. We do not require anything but technical skill to enable our project goals. We are not a platform for religion, or for anti religious sentiment or propaganda.
I see this sort of comment a lot in the discussion. What I find interesting is that I only see it when an atheist cricizes religion or religious people. When a religious person criticizes atheism or atheists no one seems to complain. You didn't express any problem with John McInnes's comment where he disparages all atheists, nor have you done so for other people who did the same. Yet you have repeatedly cricized atheists for their lack of civility.
I agree we should be more civil, but I think that this should apply to both sides.
-Todd Absolutely agreed. However, we really just need to cut the crap. Upto now, we have all worked together making something amazing. Then sudenly a church wants to move Sword over to the factory repo from Education (where it is
On Monday, September 12, 2011 08:05:33 AM todd rme wrote: properly classified and placed) and now people can't just stop and take a breath. This discussion does not belong here. I can't even find the debate in the midst of all the poo slinging from both camps. FYI: Though I am Hindu and thus religious in most peoples estimation (I only use the term for convenience) I am more critical of Atheists because, quite frankly I expect better of them. I do not expect that from religious people; I anticipate uncivility and hard-headedness and generally choose to ignore it since I long ago exhausted myself in futile argumentation with those of blind- faith. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org