@ Luca Actually this is my first mail on this list, but I feel it is necessary nonetheless. Do not let reservations of some users discourage your efforts. I use tumbleweed as a daily driver both at work and at home. For me the installation has been broken several times (I suspect BtrFS to be the culprit, at work I use Ext4) since I switched to TW (on my private laptop). But this is to be expected from a rolling release. Imo if stability is a critical issue one should not entirely rely on TW. I am looking very much forward to plasma 5.3. Keep up the good work. Am 03.05.2015 um 20:41 schrieb Luca Beltrame:
Achim Gratz wrote:
Here on this list, all I'm trying to discuss is the transition plan (or lack thereof) from KDE 4.x to Plasma5. If you want to continue that We had plenty of mails on the transition plan. There were both sent on opensuse-kde and opensuse-factory. There is no such thing as "lack thereof". We've been working for this way before this was announced, often testing stuff ourselves (and yes, sometimes breaking our desktops, too).
I see however that it was all a waste of my and the other team members' time.
The Plasma5 update you are planning to do is redefining Tumbleweed Why? It is an officially supported upstream, stable release.
I don't know about you, but the potential havoc does decrease the appeal of TW by several notches for me. If you continue to want real-world users on TW you need to mitigate some of these concerns. That's why we waited for 3 full releases from upstream, testing stuff, fixing stuff ourselves if it was within our reach, polishing package updates, etc over the past 9 months. We didn't sit idly and then say "lo and behold, thou shalt use Plasma 5" all of a sudden.
This was precisely to address "concerns", to ensure that the result was of acceptable quality for the distribution (see the evaluation mails on opensuse-kde), to ensure that openQA tests ran on it (maxlin did a great job with those) and passed properly. We also tested (as best as we could) package updates, obsoletes, etc...
We engaged with the upstream community to ensure that what we were bringing to Tumbleweed was good enough, filing reports and poking developers if need be (I can recall several occasions where I nagged Plasma team members to fix multiscreen issues), and also watching on responses from the userbase (doing user support on the official KDE forums helped me to check on the responses from other distros, too).
Does this mean that the transition will be perfect? Absolutely not. But we tried, the best we could, to do our homework, because we wanted to give the best transition possible to TW users.
And that is exactly why I find the tone of some messages (here and otherwise) full of stop energy (but that is not something confined to KDE... I've seen this also in other areas of the openSUSE community, but this is not the right thread nor the right ML for it).
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