Without judging Gnome 3's usability – since I do not use it – or commenting on a specific author within this thread, it seems to me as it's always the same group of people that tell the same story as soon as there is a (major) change in software they use. Don't get me wrong, constructive criticism is very! useful but their story seems to reflect a general dislike of change and they tend to get very defencive on their habits and what they are used to. Exaggerating and generalising the bugs/errors in the new version and ignoring the shortcomings of the previous version. Using aggressive and vulgar language. Reading comments regarding their hating like "the new version is not as bad as you say" as "the new version is the best and the previous sucks big time". The same arguments like "the devs ignore the users", "it's impossible to work with that piece of software", "the new features are all useless", "people liking the new version are all fanboys" etc. Luckily most people know how and where to put their criticism in a way that actually shapes software rather than de-motivates those developing it. Contributing does not justify aggressiveness. Answering with the same kind of aggressiveness does not help either! So there is always the dilemma of just letting them rant and ignoring them or pointing out that they should just skip their ranting. I guess ignoring would be better but it's hard to see people exaggerating to such a degree and not telling them to stop. So if people could maybe just try to not use aggressive or vulgar language it would automatically help to keep the conversation more constructive. Or to put it differently. If you say something in a nice way it tends to be more constructive. :) I would even take the risk to ask admins to put a paragraph into the netiquette that clearly states that whoever uses aggressive or vulgar language will be banned. It's really not necessary to use things like STFU, crap, ass etc. to express your opinion. If you feel like using those words you know that you are doing something wrong! And please don't get defencive on this matter and try to tell me anything about free speech – it's one thing what you are allowed to and another what educated people stick to and agree on within a community. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org