On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 12:41:17 +0200, Simon Lees wrote:
On 03/29/2016 04:19 PM, Peter Czanik wrote:
On 03/29/2016 12:18 AM, Simon Lees wrote:
Hi All,
On a clean install I did last week I discovered enlightenment had no sound, this was due to the missing pulseaudio-module-x11. Currently the Gnome, Mate and KDE patterns all recommend pulseaudio-module-x11 (along with several other modules) which leads me to the question is it possible to have working audio on a desktop out of the box without the pulseaudio-module-x11 package on any desktop, if not I am proposing that we move the recommends on PulseAudio into the x11 or x11_opt package (I'm open to either) if some other desktops don't require this package for audio i'm happy to add the recommends to the enlightenment pattern.
This issue is currently being tracked in boo#972912
I have a system with XFCE completly free of pulseaudio, and sound works just fine. It's already a big effort to remove pulseaudio, please don't make it even worse. Yes, I know, that in theory it should make sound setup easier. On the other hand, it makes sound quality worse. In my experience it makes mp3 quality sound from flac files. I tried to experiment a few times with pulseaudio settings, but the only good solution for good sound quality was to remove it completely. Bye, CzP
Thanks for your feedback, it seems that currently pulseaudio isn't installed by default with xfce, so if audio works out of the box that’s definitely a reason not to go ahead with this change. If audio doesn't work with no configuration without this change but it does after then its a change worth considering. If the change does go ahead those not wanting to use pulseaudio should be able to do so simply by uninstalling the packages as the change only implements a "soft" Recommends rather than a "hard" Requires.
There are certainly some cases that need a manual adjustment for obtaining the sound I/O as user wants. Without PA, the configuration might be more difficult, yes. The downside of adding it to Recommends is that it drags way too many packages, and uninstalling the whole stack isn't always easy and simple as you mentioned. (Stopping using it is easy via setup-pulseaudio script, though.) And, we shouldn't forget the minimal X systems. Adding PA to there definitely annoys many developers. The purpose of such patterns isn't to make everything works out of the box without any manual configuration. Rather it should be kept as slim as possible.
If someone running xfce can tell me whether this is the case or not that will save me a bit of time setting up something to test this.
So, for now, my recommendation is to rather put into Enlightenment pattern. Takashi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org