On 07/01/2022 10.47, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Am 07.01.22 um 10:21 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
I like Leap, but this keeping of old packages is going too far. Four years, really?
Are SLE customers installing new machines really liking 15, or having trouble?
SLE customers installing new machines are using SLES12-SP5.
My cow-orkers in operating are starting now with moving productive machines to SLES15.
SLES15-SP1 of course, not SP3.
If SUSE shipped a SLES16 now, they would be ready for adoption of it maybe in 2025. Especially as this would have major, breaking changes (like: usrmerge) that would need excessive testing. (Not really, but that would be their argument to keep the old stuff).
This is most likely one of the bigger SUSE customers in europe, if not the biggest.
And yes, I tell them daily to go away and kill themselves when they come around with on their SLES12 installations, that would be simply go away if they switched to SLES15+. Or when they whine about their sles15 problems that come from them using SP1 instead of SP3+updates.
So yes, paying customers really like old stuff :-)
Ok, that's about servers. What about desktop customers? There are people complaining that Leap doesn't run in their new laptops, doesn't this happen to paying customers?
I personally am happy with Leap $releasever as a server machine at home. My python stuff (mostly some statistics collection things on the server) work well enough with python 3.6 (I finally had to switch them over from py2 to py3 end of 2020 ;-) More complex, "modern" things (example: home-assistant) are basically not installable on any released OS that the developers are not using, so the way to go for complex things is to use a container or dedicated small VM with an appliance for the application. I do not think this is nice or good, but the way application development is done (many projects not caring for anything but their own appliance and the developer's own setup), this is just the only workable approach.
And I really appreciate stuff in Leap not changing as often as in Tumbleweed. I run TW on my laptop, where it is no hassle to reboot every other day for a new kernel or glibc, and as everything on there is my personal use only, even if something breaks it is not a big problem getting it going again, or just to stop using it for some days until it is fixed. But on the server, I really like having to look at it only once per month or so.
I also appreciate stuff in Leap not changing as often as in Tumbleweed, in my desktop machine, laptop, and miniserver. TW is a no-no for me. But Leap is getting way too old. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.2 x86_64 at Telcontar)