Am Sonntag, 25. August 2019, 21:48:43 CEST schrieb Rainer Klier:
hi,
Am 22.08.19 um 19:27 schrieb Wolfgang Bauer:
Am Mittwoch, 7. August 2019, 13:36:56 schrieb Rainer Klier:
i already thought about disabling KDE:/Applications, KDE:/Extra, KDE:/Frameworks5, KDE:/Qt5 and KDE:/Distro....
I think I should add some things here:
KDE:Extra by itself actually should be rather safe to use, as it is built against standard Tumbleweed (that actually caused the problem you had).
ok, great.
The most "problematic" here are KDE:Qt5, KDE:Frameworks5, and KDE:Applications. The latter two also get beta versions (mainly to increase the chance to catch bugs before the release, and also formal issues to have the releases be accepted to Tumbleweed as soon as possible). And updating Qt5 before all the rest can cause dependency problems by itself. ok. understood.
but if i have those repos (qt, frameworks5, applications) enabled, i am able to easily see, there are new KDE packages, and update ONLY KDE stuff, without anything else.
i can see, if new KDE stuff is available, and update to it. and i also can downgrade only KDE stuff, if necessary.
if i would use all KDE packages only from main tumbleweed repo, where the KDE packages are spread all over the repo, next to all the other tumbleweed packages, i can't easily pick all the KDE packages. in this case i am forced to do a "zypper dup", or "zypper up", and this would update all packages from tumbleweed repo, even those, where nothing really new is available, but packages have a higher build number.
it would then update many many packages, without something new, only because they have higher build number.
but with the KDE repos available, i can see, that a new KDE version (of applications or frameworks) is availbale, and can decide to update to it, and only update KDE packages.
similar to the other repos, where some packages like libreoffice, firefox, thunderbird are maintained.
here, i am also able to see, that, for example, a new thunderbird version is available, and i am able to ONLY update the thunderbird packages.
for that reason, i use those extra repos, next to the main tumbleweed repo.
BTW, we added a strict dependency to kio-gdrive now, to avoid the exact same problem you had in the future (there also actually was no guarantee that it
i don't want to do a "zypper dup" every second day, only to get latest firefox, KDE, thunderbird,... thank you very much!
Well, Rainer, with all due respect, but you're misusing Tumbleweed that way. By using the packages from devel projects, you might get some, that aren't fully stabilized and tested. The idea of Tumbleweed is to keep current with *tested* packages, that are also *coherent* to each other. The way, you seem to using it, is selectively choosing packages, that you're interested in. May be, you think, that the other updated packages are just spurious builds without any addition value, or whatever.. Tumbleweed makes great effort to reduce spurious builds (reproducible build initiative), and while you might be able to replace just the elements, that you care about, you're completely on your own, and touch unsafe grounds, because nobody ever tested your combination of packages, and that's the point, where my rule of thumb comes in: Untested things do NOT work! Additionally, the builds are improved continuously (build tools, parameter, e.g. LTO), so the net result of any new TW build is mostly different. Here's, where openQA chimes in: it allows the developers to detect regressions, which mostly saves our asses, and makes Tumbleweed different to other rolling releases. I'm just a humble Tumbleweed user, and please somebody correct me, if I'm wrong, but you ought to "zypper dup" every now and then, and add packages from additional sources very carefully, only. If you mix different sources, you should study their inter-dependencies thoroughly. If you're interested in a single package (or a few), I would recommend to branch and build it in your OBS home, and use current Tumbleweed for the rest. That way, you and others are able to reproduce your setup. Cheers, Pete -- Doing funny thing with SuSE since about 25 years... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org