When i was Developer i would begin to test when PHP Version ist releases. Not before. This ist in my opinion one reason why upstream use more and more flat, SNAP, docker and so on. Am 23. Dezember 2019 22:10:07 MEZ schrieb Arjen de Korte <suse+factory@de-korte.org>:
Citeren Eric Schirra <ecsos@opensuse.org>:
I think that has nothing to do with "no willing".
It absolutely is. It is a decision made upstream to introduce PHP 7.4 support in NC18, which will not be available until the second half of January. Not synchronizing NC releases with PHP releases is a major roadblock to keep up with rolling releases like Tumbleweed (and Arch for instance).
The time for testing is simple too short. 7.4 is out since 28.11.
The changes required to support PHP 7.4 are already known for months. The first alpha release for 7.4.0 was in June, if memory serves. That's what all the alpha/beta/release candidates are for. To test compatibility with the upcoming final releases.
Too test all, the time is too short.
I beg to differ. See above. If you wait until the final release, you'll always be too late. And I can predict that nextcloud will not be compatible to PHP 8 when that is released either.
And in my opinion, 7.4 in tumbleweed is to quickly.
It was delayed three weeks actually.
I'm not from upstream. It's only my opinion.
Regards Eric
Am 23. Dezember 2019 20:46:11 MEZ schrieb Arjen de Korte <suse+factory@de-korte.org>:
Citeren Axel Braun <axel.braun@gmx.de>:
Am Montag, 23. Dezember 2019, 19:02:25 CET schrieb Eric Schirra:
And in some days you can add it again. This ist not the solution for me. The problem is describe in others Mail. PHP 7.4 is too quickly in TW. PHP 7.4 is out since 28.11!
Thats what a rolling release does - it rolls quickly. So if you have a productive installation of nextcloud, Leap would probably be the better option. And having an openQA test for nextcloud would even be better.
I think the only thing that an openQA test for nextcloud would bring, is a reason not to include it in Tumbleweed.
This is not the first time a PHP upgrade breaks nextcloud (and it probably won't be the last time either). It looks like the nextcloud developers are either not able or willing to keep up with the pace of PHP development.
The incompatibilities are known for months already, yet a fix will not
be available until almost two months after the release of PHP 7.4.
Until then...build PHP 7.3
Best Axel
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