On 4/21/23 04:31, Richard Brown wrote:
On 2023-04-20 17:34, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
Hey,
On 20.04.23 10:27, Richard Brown wrote:
The question really though is, given the above, what does the openSUSE community want to build? (yes..I know, I'm repeating the main question from my original post..but we really do need to have some discussions on that else the answer will be 'nothing')
I'm not sure I agree with how you put this. We are *already* building a thing (Leap) that would be affected by ALP. I would argue we are building Leap by consensus that it's something we want to build.
So the more glaring question is: Can we build Leap from ALP or what do we do instead?
I put this like this for 2 reasons
1. Given ALP is a very different distribution from SLE, I expect any derivative of ALP that tries to be like Leap will be a lot more work. This appears to be confirmed by Simon's experiences working towards this for hackweek, hence you see his suggestion being something paired down from Leap, at least with the manpower he currently sees being interested in doing such.
Having spoken with Lubos, i'm probably slightly less pessimistic then that. Some areas will require more work, some areas like python may even be easier then Leap but some things will be harder. For example to get Enlightenment working i'll need to add back parts of X11 but once i've done that, I don't think its going to be significantly more effort for the KDE team to add KDE to the openSUSE ALP then it is for them to add it to Leap, some things will probably even fall out easier. Having said that the main missing part at this point is the Gnome stack, its still pretty unclear if or how much we will get from SUSE there and of that if you want a more "Traditional" Linux setup how much will be useable out of the box. Having said that in a few days Valentin was able to take the Gnome stack from Tumbleweed and get it working, so its certainly doable it might just take someone or a group of someones to commit the time to it. But it might still be that we can recycle the SUSE stuff here but ATM we still don't have enough info from the SUSE Side on what they are going to do there and how its going to work. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B