On Tuesday 24 of March 2015 15:42:23 Neil Rickert wrote:
On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 07:30:54 AM Luca Beltrame wrote:
1. The polls' results are disconcerting - at most 10 votes.
I went to that poll page maybe a day or two after your first announcement in this thread. I saw the poll, tried to vote, but could not.
Okay, I worked out that I needed to be logged in. And then I voted.
Should not the page at least tell people that they have to be logged in to vote, and that if the have a forum login they use that. Count me as completely unsurprised at how view votes there are.
2. No solid objections have been raised during this period, so the plan will proceed forward towards having Plasma 5.3 as default in openSUSE. Of course, we still have our contingency plan (see original mail) should everything fail.
Hi Neil,
At present Plasma 5 is not ready for prime time. It is cripple-ware. I'm seriously considering reinstalling Tumbleweed (and KDE4). .... By the way, there is a discussion thread at the forum.
https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/505865-KDE-5-concerns
There are not a lot of comments there, either. But there are a few. The forum is probably the best place for a discussion.
I am mostly seeing 'i would like and wouldn't like' w/o listing specific issues. OK, it seems missing session management with kwin is somewhere at the top of the list, and most of other mentioned problems are either addressed, or known to upstream.
My advice for opensuse 3.3: ... (b) Provide Plasma 5, but in such a way that it can be installed alongside KDE4. Maybe that requires a separate install path for the present. This is the case with 13.2 already...
I'm glad that I only tried Plasma 5 on my test system.
Few people are trying it, because they have seen the reports and consider it not ready.
If Plasma 5 can be installed alongside KDE4, many more people will try it. At present, they have to risk a crippled system to try Plasma 5. If it could be installed alongside KDE4, then they could test it, comment on it. yet not cripple their working KDE4.
That's my two cents.
Could you elaborate on the 'cripple' part? We're talking here about the desktop (one has to remove some 4, 5 packages on existing kde4 install to install plasma5), for which most missing features are non-ported widgets, and the list of those is decreasing. Yes there are some bigger bugs, but there is such kind also for plasma4 desktop, which will never be resolved for that 'generation'. On the other hand we have long standing wishlist bugs resolved (such as custom wallpaper for screenlocker, unlocking via DBus, undo of widget removal, improved usability, etc.) Cheers, Hrvoje