On 2023-09-04 10:37, Michal Suchánek wrote:
On Mon, Sep 04, 2023 at 10:13:43AM +0200, Richard Brown wrote:
On 2023-09-04 10:04, Michal Suchánek wrote:
I thought I said this clearly enough, but I'll say it very bluntly
If we do for 15.7, we won't be able to rely on the SUSE-paid employees who work on Leap to help with the Leap replacement, because they'll be busy with 15.7
And how does that change between 15.6 and 15.7?
Won't people be busy with 15.6 at 15.6 time as much as they would be busy with 15.7 at 15.7 time?
The difference is only on the ALP side - at 15.7 time it will be much more mature base to build on.
Leap 15.6 is being bootstrapped right now (https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/openSUSE:Leap:15.6) It will be completed and off the desk of the majority of the SUSE-paid Leap folk in time for them to get something like Slowroll in place and well established by the end of Leap 15.6's end of life If we do a 15.7, they'll be spending their time on that instead. Meanwhile ALP will not magically become a 'more mature base to build on' openSUSE Leap is a very Desktop-centric distribution. None of SUSE's planned ALP products have any intention of being a Desktop-centric offering. If openSUSE doesn't start the work now, then ALP will never be ready for the Desktop use cases we currently enjoy with Leap. (the Server use cases should be well served by the 1:1 copies of SUSE's ALP products we'll be doing) If we choose to kick the can down the road, all we end up with is the same mountain to climb and more tired legs for spending another year building Leap. If that is our collective desire, I think that would be an utter waste of our time so you can expect me to step back and leave that challenge to someone else to make sense out of. There's plenty more interesting things for me to work on. -- Richard Brown Distributions Architect SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Frankenstraße 146, D-90461 Nuremberg, Germany (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) Managing Directors/Geschäftsführer: Ivo Totev, Andrew McDonald, Werner Knoblic